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   Many things humans have made that you never observed them making.   
      
   But they exist.   
      
   >>> (and life according to you) came from God, then God must be life.   See it   
   now?   
   >>   
   >>Oh, so that's your problem! That exposes the underling   
   >>reason of_why_you are foolishly trying to fight against   
   >>the truth.   
   >   
   > So God is not alive, then?   
   >   
   >>>>> So if he is, tell us whether or not this matches   
   >>>>> up to what you claim to know about him:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Life, also known as biota, refers to matter that has biological   
   >>>>> processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes. It is   
   >>>>> defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation,   
   >>>>> metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>ALL the above must be present for life to be. So where did   
   >>>>it originate?   
   >>>   
   >>> You're assuming half-alive creatures can't exist.  But those kind of   
   >>> replicators almost certainly existed.   
   >>   
   >>They did and do exist --> in the fantasy world of fools.   
   >   
   > Are viruses part of a fantasy world?   
   >   
   >>>> When considering that question, this is the key   
   >>>>point to remember.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      "The key point to remember in abiogenesis research is:   
   >>>>        There is no way in hell that proteins could have formed   
   >>>>        by non-biological chemical processes...in terms of their   
   >>>>        process of origin, they are churned out only by machines   
   >>>>        in living cells that use the genetic code as part of their   
   >>>>        production apparatus."   
   >>>>                                                ~Vincent Maycock   
   >>>   
   >>> Sure, I'm an RNA-first kind of guy.   
   >>   
   >>In the real world, RNA comes only from   
   >>DNA, which itself comes only from pre-   
   >>existing DNA. You should have known   
   >>that!   
   >   
   > You mean in the *present world,*  not   
   > in the "real world."   
      
   What happens in present world biology   
   -IS- the "real world".   
      
   >>A lone RNA molecule would have no   
   >>function or purpose apart from  the code   
   >>that it receives from DNA.   
   >   
   > No, its "purpose" would be to replicate.   
      
   To replicate it must first have code. Which   
   comes from DNA. So 'RNA world' without   
   DNA doesn't work.   
      
   >>The RNA world hypothesis is in effect a   
   >>*fantasy world* for fools who reject real   
   >>world *science*.   
   >   
   > Why don't you share with us the "science"   
   > found in saying "God did it"?   
      
   "All of us who study the origin of life find   
     that the more we look into it, the more we   
     feel it is too complex to have evolved any   
     where."   
                         ~ Harold Urey   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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