XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.paranormal, alt.atheism
XPost: alt.conspiracy, alt.alien.research
From: bubbles@in.valid
On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:07:53 +0000
Mitchell Holman wrote:
> jojo wrote in news:69d37242-e5dd-35dd-a285-a624d61a0af3
> @shinku.aoyagi.konjou:
>
> > JTEM wrote:
> >>
> >> If we find an inhabited world, an intelligent species then
> >> chances are they're a ignorant, primitive society.
> >>
> >> Every so called "Intelligent" species would have to experience
> >> a primitive stage.
> >>
> >> This is inescapable.
> >>
> >> No planet is going to spontaneously spawn life only for it to
> >> immediately climb out of the primordial ooze & build super
> >> computers.
> >>
> >> No. Not going to happen...
> >>
> >> Humans existed for MILLION OF YEARS before any of us left
> >> evidence for the controlled use of fire, let alone metallurgy.
> >>
> >> The genus Homo -- "Humans" -- officially begins with Homo habilis,
> >> conventionally dated back about 3 million years... though the
> >> oldest fossil of which is considerably younger.
> >>
> >> If you Google it, the usual suspects (Wikie, Google A.I.) are
> >> going to give you ridiculously old dates but the truth is that
> >> we find evidence for the spread of fire back hundreds of
> >> thousands of years, not millions...
> >>
> >> The oldest throwing spear is around 400k years old, btw. But
> >> after 300K years or so they disappear from the archaeological
> >> record... don't show up again for quite a while...
> >>
> >> The point is, if you didn't know, humans went through a lengthy
> >> primitive stage before ever achieving industrialization, and
> >> even then it took centuries to go from the Industrial Revolution
> >> to space.
> >>
> >> So a primitive stage is necessary, all "Intelligent" species
> >> must pass through a primitive stage, but nobody is required to
> >> graduate to an advanced stage.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> If you graphed all the so called "Intelligent" species in the
> >> universe it would look something like a pyramid -- the greatest
> >> number at the bottom, the most primitive species, tapering off
> >> to the smallest number of highly advanced species, so rare they
> >> actually form the point!
> >>
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> Because all so called "Intelligent" species would enter a
> >> primitive stage, but not all would leave it.
> >>
> >> Humanity was nearly wiped out entirely, rendered extinct, by
> >> a "Super Volcanic Eruption," less than 80k years ago. And as
> >> bad as it was, there were worse. There were bigger, more
> >> catastrophic eruptions in the earth's past.
> >>
> >> Asteroids? Like the one that ended the dinosaurs?
> >>
> >> Disease.
> >>
> >> An unfortunate Gamma Ray Burst could be a planet killer...
> >>
> >> Ever hear of "Snowball Earth?" The odds of an intelligent
> >> species surviving one of those lie somewhere between ZERO
> >> and NIL...
> >>
> >> And then out of the "Intelligent" species that made it though
> >> a primitive stage without some natural catastrophe wiping them
> >> out, there's always self destruction.
> >>
> >> Nuclear war. Biological warfare. Chemical warfare.
> >>
> >> Read any of the A.I. doomsday scenarios? Yeah, that.
> >>
> >> And do keep in mind that the whole time they're trying to
> >> survive their industrial period WITHOUT killing themselves,
> >> there's still all the natural threats they had to dea with in
> >> their primitive stage. None of them went away. So, their odds
> >> of becoming extinct have actually GROWN, not retracted...
> >>
> >> *We* here on earth are not yet at the point where we set up
> >> a self sustaining, self progressing breeding population on
> >> another world, so preserve our species in the event of a
> >> catastrophe -- natural or man made. WE, right now, are still
> >> in the "More likely to go extinct" stage than the primitives...
> >>
> >> AND THEN there's the fact that species die. The vast majority
> >> of species to ever exist on this planet are gone. They're
> >> extinct.
> >>
> >> What if an intelligent species evolved pretty close to another
> >> world with an intelligent species? Real life isn't Star Trek.
> >> Such a scenario would present a major threat to one or both!
> >>
> >> The point is that there's LOTS of ways a species may go
> >> extinct, and the older they get THE MORE LIKELY they will fall
> >> to one. Not the less likely, the more likely they won't
> >> survive.
> >>
> >> Their odds may improve over time but there would always be a
> >> non-zero chance of them getting snuffed out ever century...
> >> decade... year...
> >>
> >> Thus: The rarest species would be the oldest, the most
> >> technologically advances, while the most numerous species
> >> would be the most primitive -- the more primitive the more
> >> numerous. Yet...
> >>
> >> Yet everyone insists that if we find aliens they're going to
> >> be hyper advanced. No, they're likely smashing rocks
> >> together & wishing they could stop freezing their buns off
> >> whenever it gets cold.
> >>
> >
> > i dont believe anything special happens in the universe. if a
> > species reaches star traveling capacity, power laws take over
> > determining their distribution.
> >
>
>
> In a universe 14 billion years old
> Earth has only had intelligent life
> for smallest sliver of time, less than
> half a million years. We are latecomers.
> There are smarter species out there, but
> it is proof of our arrogance that we
> think they would bother trying to visit
> or even talk to us.
>
We were doing ok this time until the ET masters of this alien ant farm
decided to brainwash us into homosexuality, transgender, and other
anti-replication lifestyles before they pull the plug on us all again.
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