From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-20 16:04, Lars Poulsen wrote:   
   > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.unix.geeks]   
      
   Mmm.   
      
   >   
   > On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 21:56:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>> Like having Ozempic for free?   
   >   
   > On 20/12/2025 05:56, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>> TANSTAAFL   
   >   
   > On 2025-12-20 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:   
   >>> Yes. Obesity exists because of the way food is produced and marketed.   
   >>> And lifestyles in a post industrial age are sedentary   
   >>>   
   >>> Throwing Ozemopic on top of that is a bit of an unkown.   
   >   
   > On 2025-12-20, Carlos E.R.  wrote:   
   >> Ozempic is prescribed for diabetes. But it was just an example of an   
   >> expensive treatment, there are others.   
   >>   
   >> And obesity exist for many reasons.   
   >   
   > When I was young, I was a scrawny kid.   
      
   Me too. 54 Kg when I was about 30.   
      
   > As a young geek, sleeping   
   > irregular hours, working 11 to 20:30 and eating at random times, I was   
   > still scrawny. After I got married, I started to slowly gain weight;   
   > but I was still pretty active, so it was slow. After my divorce,   
   > I was depressed, and much less active, and eventually reached 270   
   > pounds.   
      
   I started slowly gaining weight when I got a job. I no longer had the   
   stress of exams and study.   
      
   > With a medically supervised calorie reduction program, I made it   
   > back to 195 pounds, but it was not a sustainable diet, and after I   
   > remarried, it crept back up to 230 lbs. With what I considered strict   
   > discipline, I made it down to 205, but was stuck oscilating between 205   
   > and 215.   
   >   
   > Zepbound has been a revelation for me. I pay USD 500/month direct from   
   > EliLilly with monthly monitoring appointments with my doctor.   
   >   
   > The price illustrates our ridiculous US healthcare system.   
   > 1) If I was a lot more obese (290 lbs?) or my type 2 diabetes was less   
   >     well managed, I would pay USD 30/month as my copay, and Medicare   
   >     would pay the rest.   
      
   Something similar here, but at my weight of 82Kg I was nearly there.   
   However my diabetes was well managed, so the inspection said "no".   
   Problem? That the Dapagliflozin makes the kidneys to expel sugar via   
   urine, and some people get infections easily. My digestive track hates   
   Metformin. Fortunately, the doctor found a new form of Metformin called   
   Metsunix that does the job. Also this last week I have been losing a bit   
   of weight. I'm happy.   
      
   > 2) If I went to one of the shadier compound pharmacies with internet   
   >     sales (that import the compounds directly from China), with imaginary   
   >     medical supervision from their "virtual doctor".   
   > 3) If I took the risk of importing the compounds from China myself,   
   >     I learned from an NYT article that I could get a 10 month supply for   
   >     USD 150.   
   > So the difference between $15/month and $500/month is the quality   
   > control performed by the pharma company and the heavy TV advertising.   
   >   
      
   I think it is ~150 €/month here.   
      
   > With Zepbound I am experienccing for the first time in my life that   
   > I can go to lunch with a group of men and feel full when half the meal   
   > is still on the plate, and have them box up the rest for me.   
      
   :-)   
      
   > So this is what it's like for those people who are effortlessly slim   
   > without contorting themselves to be hungry all the time!   
   >   
   > No wonder they think I am just undisciplined.   
   >   
      
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
   ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;   
      
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