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|    "Trump Will Lose The Election, Go To Pri    |
|    15 Sep 24 02:00:01    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, mn.politics, alt.politics.usa.republican       XPost: talk.politics.guns, sac.politics       From: X@Y.com              Most Americans want fat old feeble Trump sent to the big house for 25       years. Great place to have his death bed. Prison is no place for       feeble weak old men.               Lock Him Up? A New Poll Has Some Bad News for Trump              A new POLITICO Magazine/Ipsos poll punctures some prevailing political       narratives about the Trump indictments.              o hear Donald Trump tell it, the fact that he keeps getting indicted by       prosecutors is a boon to his reelection effort. “Any time they file an       indictment, we go way up in the polls,” he said at a dinner shortly after       he was charged by the Justice Department with attempting to overturn the       2020 election.              This counterintuitive claim is questionable on its face — if not       demonstrably false upon close examination — but it is one among many       dubious arguments that Trump and his allies have advanced in recent       months as he has been confronted with four different prosecutions brought       by the Justice Department, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office and,       most recently, the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office in Georgia.              A new POLITICO Magazine/Ipsos poll provides some bad news for Trump: Even       as he remains the clear frontrunner for the Republican nomination, the       cascading indictments are likely to take a toll on his general election       prospects.              The survey results suggest Americans are taking the cases seriously —       particularly the Justice Department’s 2020 election case — and that most       people are skeptical of Trump’s claim to be the victim of a legally       baseless witch hunt or an elaborate, multi-jurisdictional effort to       “weaponize” law enforcement authorities against him.              Furthermore, public sentiment in certain areas — including how quickly to       hold a trial and whether to incarcerate Trump if he’s convicted — is       moving against the former president when compared to a previous POLITICO       Magazine/Ipsos poll conducted in June. This latest poll was conducted       from Aug. 18 to Aug. 21, roughly two-and-a-half weeks after Trump’s       second federal indictment and several days after Trump was criminally       charged in Fulton County. The poll had a sample of 1,032 adults, age 18       or older, who were interviewed online; it has a margin of error of plus       or minus 3.2 percentage points for all respondents.              Here are some of the most notable findings from our latest survey.       1. Most Americans believe Trump should stand trial before the 2024       election              On Monday, Trump’s lawyers will face off against federal prosecutors       before U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan over when to schedule his trial       in the Justice Department’s 2020 election case — a high-stakes dispute       that could have dramatic implications for the 2024 election. Federal       prosecutors have proposed that the trial begin on Jan. 2, 2024, while       Trump’s lawyers have countered that the trial should take place in April       2026. If Trump gets his way, that would, perhaps not coincidentally,       leave him plenty of time to complete his reelection bid and, if       successful, shut the case down after retaking the White House.              Americans are far closer to the Justice Department’s position than to       Trump’s. Fifty-nine percent of respondents in the poll said that the       federal trial in Trump’s 2020 election subversion case should take place       before the 2024 Republican primaries begin early next year. A slightly       higher number — 61 percent of all respondents — said that the trial       should take place before the general election next November.              There was a predictable partisan split among Democrats and Republicans,       with nearly 90 percent of Democratic respondents seeking an early trial       date and roughly a third of Republican respondents agreeing.              It was the reaction of independents, however, that may prove most ominous       for Trump. Nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of independents said that Trump       should stand trial before next November — a figure that suggests       particular interest in and attentiveness to a case that effectively       alleges that Trump tried to steal the last election. By way of a rough       comparison, when we asked a similar question in June following Trump’s       indictment by the Justice Department in Florida concerning his retention       of classified documents, fewer than half of independent respondents (48       percent) said that the trial in that case should take place before next       November.       2. About half of the country believes Trump is guilty in the pending       prosecutions              The claims on the part of Trump and his supporters that he is the victim       of a “witch hunt” also seem to be having little effect on the views of       Americans across the entire population. About half of the country —       including overwhelming majorities of Democrats and roughly half of       independents — believe that Trump is guilty of the series of charges.              Among the four pending cases, the Manhattan District Attorney’s       prosecution produced slightly less robust figures, with a total of just       48 percent of respondents reporting that they believe Trump is guilty in       that case, which concerns alleged hush money payments to the adult film       star Stormy Daniels.              Befitting our polarized country, bare majorities said that they believe       Trump is guilty in the other cases — 51 percent in the pending Justice       Department and Fulton County prosecutions concerning the 2020 election,       and 52 percent in the Justice Department’s classified documents case.       3. A conviction in DOJ’s 2020 election case would hurt Trump in the       general election              Our latest poll also makes clear that it would be unhelpful for Trump’s       presidential bid if he is federally convicted of a criminal scheme to       steal the last election at the same time that he is asking the American       people to send him back to the White House.              A plurality of respondents (44 percent) said that a conviction in the       case would have no impact on their likelihood of supporting Trump, but       the numbers tipped decisively against Trump among those who said that the       result would inform their vote. Nearly one-third of respondents (32       percent) said that a conviction in the case would make them less likely       to support Trump, including about one-third of independents (34 percent).              Only 13 percent of respondents said that a conviction would make them       more likely to support Trump, and that figure was comprised mostly of       Republicans.       4. There is considerable room for the numbers to get worse for Trump              Despite the seeming tsunami of news coverage of Trump’s legal issues, a       sizable portion of the public is still learning about the alleged crimes       of the former president.              Most respondents said that they understand the charges in the pending       cases either very well or somewhat well, with the highest numbers — more              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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