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From: meso@mer.ica
On 5/2/2014 1:31 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Mayan Stonebird wrote in news:lk0p1i$6ho$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/2/2014 12:34 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>> news:b8o7m956diup0tq4hqoru5soaf10h155ht@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 12:06:22 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>> news:qkh7m9dlvhbua4ea45sg4rj35kd9rif9qd@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 10:39:17 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>> news:mlp5m95066vuhm090qnhc7pnagev83pap5@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 18:17:05 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:mkj5m9tdgf5bv3ngpc5onhjev4fq355klf@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 16:33:40 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:gnc5m9tvp8vb6jkbkuoio1kl7ekdc7hjde@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 13:02:17 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:33:53 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:56:16 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:35:21 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 06:46:15 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic Representative Steven Horsford says people
> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in fear, under the constant presence of armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> militia groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, we're all petrified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armed gangs roaming the streets might not bother you but
> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does bother Bunkerville residents who want their town
> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they take a vote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly didn't take a vote in these creatures
> crawling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of the woodwork and invading their community did they?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you're OK with feds stopping and searching on lonely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highways miles from he border, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is reasonable suspicion of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just what do you consider "reasonable suspicion"? Driving a
> car
>>>>>>>>>>> while hispanic?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> profiling is only allowed at the actual international border.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article you cited below states differently.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Border search exception
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Despite federal law allowing certain federal agents to conduct
>>>>>>>>>> suspicionless search and seizures within 100 miles of the
>>>>>>>>>> border,[5] the Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly
> confirmed
>>>>>>>>>> that the border search exception applies only at international
>>>>>>>>>> borders and their functional equivalent (such as international
>>>>>>>>>> airports).[4]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers, U.S.
>>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agents, and U.S.
>>> Coast
>>>>>>>>>> Guard officers (E4 grade and above) who are all customs
> officers
>>>>>>>>>> (those tasked with enforcing Title 19 of the United States
> Code)
>>>>>>>>>> with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, are permitted to
>>>>>>>>>> search travelers and their belongings at the American border
>>>>>>>>>> without probable cause or a warrant.[6]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pursuant to this authority, customs officers may generally
> stop
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> search the property of any traveler entering or exiting the
>>> United
>>>>>>>>>> States at random, or even based largely on ethnic profiles.[7]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, addressing a challenge to
>>>>>>>>>> Customs' authority to search electronic files in United States
> v.
>>>>>>>>>> Ickes, held that there is no First Amendment exception to the
>>>>>>>>>> border search doctrine for expressive materials .[11] The Court
>>>>>>>>>> based its finding in part on the demands of protecting the
> nation
>>>>>>>>>> from terrorist threats that may cross the American border in
>>>>>>>>>> expressive materials.[12] in its analysis, the Court stated:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The border search doctrine is justified by the
> longstanding
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>> of the sovereign to protect itself. Particularly in today's
>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>> national security interests may require uncovering terrorist
>>>>>>>>>> communications, which are inherently “expressive.” Following
>>>>>>>>>> Ickes's logic would create a sanctuary at the border for all
>>>>>>>>>> expressive material-even for terrorist plans. This would
>>> undermine
>>>>>>>>>> the compelling reasons that lie at the very heart of the border
>>>>>>>>>> search doctrine."[
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court expressly did not rule what level of
> suspicion
>>>>>>>>>> would be necessary for a strip, body-cavity, or involuntary x-
> ray
>>>>>>>>>> search,[21] though they did say that the only two standards for
>>>>>>>>>> Fourth Amendment purposes short of a warrant were "reasonable
>>>>>>>>>> suspicion" and "probable cause" (rejecting a "clear indication"
>>>>>>>>>> standard).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the border search context, reasonable suspicion means that
> the
>>>>>>>>>> facts known to the customs officer at the time of the search,
>>>>>>>>>> combined with the officer's reasonable inferences from those
>>>>>>>>>> facts, provides the officer with a particularized and objective
>>>>>>>>>> basis for suspecting that the search will reveal contraband.
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