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From: meso@mer.ica
On 5/2/2014 3:02 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Mayan Stonebird wrote in news:lk0vnq$oal$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/2/2014 2:21 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Mayan Stonebird wrote in
>>> news:lk0tte$9jb$3@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/2014 1:31 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Mayan Stonebird wrote in news:lk0p1i$6ho$1@dont-
>>> email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/2/2014 12:34 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>> news:b8o7m956diup0tq4hqoru5soaf10h155ht@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 12:06:22 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:qkh7m9dlvhbua4ea45sg4rj35kd9rif9qd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 10:39:17 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:mlp5m95066vuhm090qnhc7pnagev83pap5@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 18:17:05 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:mkj5m9tdgf5bv3ngpc5onhjev4fq355klf@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 16:33:40 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gnc5m9tvp8vb6jkbkuoio1kl7ekdc7hjde@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 13:02:17 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:33:53 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:56:16 -0700, Klaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:35:21 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 06:46:15 -0700, Klaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic Representative Steven Horsford says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in fear, under the constant presence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> armed militia groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, we're all petrified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armed gangs roaming the streets might not bother you
>>> but
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does bother Bunkerville residents who want their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> town
>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they take a vote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly didn't take a vote in these creatures
>>>>> crawling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of the woodwork and invading their community did
>>> they?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you're OK with feds stopping and searching on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lonely highways miles from he border, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is reasonable suspicion of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what do you consider "reasonable suspicion"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Driving a
>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while hispanic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profiling is only allowed at the actual international
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> border.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article you cited below states differently.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Border search exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite federal law allowing certain federal agents to
>>> conduct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspicionless search and seizures within 100 miles of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> border,[5] the Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly
>>>>> confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the border search exception applies only at
>>> international
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borders and their functional equivalent (such as
>>> international
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airports).[4]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agents,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and U.S.
>>>>>>> Coast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guard officers (E4 grade and above) who are all customs
>>>>> officers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (those tasked with enforcing Title 19 of the United States
>>>>> Code)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permitted
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search travelers and their belongings at the American
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> border without probable cause or a warrant.[6]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pursuant to this authority, customs officers may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally
>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search the property of any traveler entering or exiting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States at random, or even based largely on ethnic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profiles.
>>> [7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, addressing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Customs' authority to search electronic files in United
>>> States
>>>>> v.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ickes, held that there is no First Amendment exception to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the border search doctrine for expressive materials .[11]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>> Court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based its finding in part on the demands of protecting the
>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from terrorist threats that may cross the American border
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in expressive materials.[12] in its analysis, the Court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The border search doctrine is justified by the
>>>>> longstanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the sovereign to protect itself. Particularly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's
>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national security interests may require uncovering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist communications, which are inherently
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