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From: meso@mer.ica
On 5/2/2014 2:21 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Mayan Stonebird wrote in news:lk0tte$9jb$3@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/2/2014 1:31 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Mayan Stonebird wrote in news:lk0p1i$6ho$1@dont-
> email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/2014 12:34 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>> news:b8o7m956diup0tq4hqoru5soaf10h155ht@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 12:06:22 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>> news:qkh7m9dlvhbua4ea45sg4rj35kd9rif9qd@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 10:39:17 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:mlp5m95066vuhm090qnhc7pnagev83pap5@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 18:17:05 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:mkj5m9tdgf5bv3ngpc5onhjev4fq355klf@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 16:33:40 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gnc5m9tvp8vb6jkbkuoio1kl7ekdc7hjde@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 13:02:17 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 08:33:53 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:56:16 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 07:35:21 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 06:46:15 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic Representative Steven Horsford says people
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in fear, under the constant presence of armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> militia groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, we're all petrified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armed gangs roaming the streets might not bother you
> but
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does bother Bunkerville residents who want their town
>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did they take a vote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly didn't take a vote in these creatures
>>> crawling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of the woodwork and invading their community did
> they?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you're OK with feds stopping and searching on lonely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highways miles from he border, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is reasonable suspicion of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what do you consider "reasonable suspicion"? Driving a
>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while hispanic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> profiling is only allowed at the actual international border.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The article you cited below states differently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Border search exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite federal law allowing certain federal agents to
> conduct
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspicionless search and seizures within 100 miles of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> border,[5] the Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly
>>> confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the border search exception applies only at
> international
>>>>>>>>>>>> borders and their functional equivalent (such as
> international
>>>>>>>>>>>> airports).[4]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers, U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agents, and U.S.
>>>>> Coast
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guard officers (E4 grade and above) who are all customs
>>> officers
>>>>>>>>>>>> (those tasked with enforcing Title 19 of the United States
>>> Code)
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, are permitted
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> search travelers and their belongings at the American border
>>>>>>>>>>>> without probable cause or a warrant.[6]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pursuant to this authority, customs officers may generally
>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> search the property of any traveler entering or exiting the
>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>>> States at random, or even based largely on ethnic profiles.
> [7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, addressing a challenge
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Customs' authority to search electronic files in United
> States
>>> v.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ickes, held that there is no First Amendment exception to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> border search doctrine for expressive materials .[11] The
> Court
>>>>>>>>>>>> based its finding in part on the demands of protecting the
>>> nation
>>>>>>>>>>>> from terrorist threats that may cross the American border in
>>>>>>>>>>>> expressive materials.[12] in its analysis, the Court stated:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The border search doctrine is justified by the
>>> longstanding
>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the sovereign to protect itself. Particularly in today's
>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>>> national security interests may require uncovering terrorist
>>>>>>>>>>>> communications, which are inherently “expressive.” Following
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ickes's logic would create a sanctuary at the border for all
>>>>>>>>>>>> expressive material-even for terrorist plans. This would
>>>>> undermine
>>>>>>>>>>>> the compelling reasons that lie at the very heart of the
> border
>>>>>>>>>>>> search doctrine."[
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court expressly did not rule what level of
>>> suspicion
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be necessary for a strip, body-cavity, or involuntary
> x-
>>> ray
>>>>>>>>>>>> search,[21] though they did say that the only two standards
> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth Amendment purposes short of a warrant were "reasonable
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