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   snickers to All   
   Re: Iraq's 1980s vintage WMD: The Shamel   
   25 Dec 14 21:04:25   
   
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   From: snickers@dont-email.me   
      
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   Gronk  wrote:   
      
   Looks like Gronk is going to be sucking cock again.  Looks like   
   Bill Clinton was supplying Sadam Hussein with chemical weapons!   
      
   The soldiers at the blast crater sensed something was wrong.   
      
   It was August 2008 near Taji, Iraq. They had just exploded a   
   stack of old Iraqi artillery shells buried beside a murky lake.   
   The blast, part of an effort to destroy munitions that could be   
   used in makeshift bombs, uncovered more shells.   
      
   Two technicians assigned to dispose of munitions stepped into   
   the hole. Lake water seeped in. One of them, Specialist Andrew   
   T. Goldman, noticed a pungent odor, something, he said, he had   
   never smelled before.   
      
   He lifted a shell. Oily paste oozed from a crack. “That doesn’t   
   look like pond water,” said his team leader, Staff Sgt. Eric J.   
   Duling.   
      
   The specialist swabbed the shell with chemical detection paper.   
   It turned red — indicating sulfur mustard, the chemical warfare   
   agent designed to burn a victim’s airway, skin and eyes.   
      
   All three men recall an awkward pause. Then Sergeant Duling gave   
   an order: “Get the hell out.”   
      
   Five years after President George W. Bush sent troops into Iraq,   
   these soldiers had entered an expansive but largely secret   
   chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.   
      
   From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops   
   repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were   
   wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in   
   Saddam Hussein’s rule.   
      
   In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000   
   chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to   
   interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American   
   officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained   
   under the Freedom of Information Act.   
      
   The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an   
   active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American   
   troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants   
   of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with   
   the West.   
      
   The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven   
   Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard   
   agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally   
   of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s   
   official count was classified.   
      
   The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the   
   scale of the United States’ encounters with chemical weapons in   
   Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within   
   the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now   
   that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of   
   the territory where the weapons were found.   
      
   The American government withheld word about its discoveries even   
   from troops it sent into harm’s way and from military doctors.   
   The government’s secrecy, victims and participants said,   
   prevented troops in some of the war’s most dangerous jobs from   
   receiving proper medical care and official recognition of their   
   wounds.   
      
   “I felt more like a guinea pig than a wounded soldier,” said a   
   former Army sergeant who suffered mustard burns in 2007 and was   
   denied hospital treatment and medical evacuation to the United   
   States despite requests from his commander.   
      
   Congress, too, was only partly informed, while troops and   
   officers were instructed to be silent or give deceptive accounts   
   of what they had found. “?'Nothing of significance’ is what I   
   was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired   
   Army major who was present for the largest chemical weapons   
   discovery of the war: more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets   
   unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.   
      
   Jarrod L. Taylor, a former Army sergeant on hand for the   
   destruction of mustard shells that burned two soldiers in his   
   infantry company, joked of “wounds that never happened” from   
   “that stuff that didn’t exist.” The public, he said, was misled   
   for a decade. “I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any   
   chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” he said. “There were plenty.”   
      
   CHEMICAL WEAPONS FOUND BY AMERICAN FORCES IN IRAQ   
      
   Between 2004 and 2011, American forces in Iraq encountered   
   thousands of chemical munitions. In several cases, troops were   
   exposed to chemical agents.   
      
   SOME EXPOSURES DETAILED IN THIS ARTICLE   
      
   1 MAY 2004 Two soldiers exposed to sarin from a shell near   
   Baghdad’s Yarmouk neighborhood. 2 SUMMER 2006 Over 2,400 nerve-   
   agent rockets found at this former Republican Guard compound. 3   
   JULY 2008 Six Marines exposed to mustard agent from an artillery   
   shell at an abandoned bunker. 4 AUGUST 2008 Five American   
   soldiers exposed to mustard agent while destroying a weapons   
   cache. 5 2010 OR EARLY 2011 Hundreds of mustard rounds   
   discovered in a container at this Iraqi security compound.   
      
   Rear Adm. John Kirby, spokesman for Defense Secretary Chuck   
   Hagel, declined to address specific incidents detailed in the   
   Times investigation, or to discuss the medical care and denial   
   of medals for troops who were exposed. But he said that the   
   military’s health care system and awards practices were under   
   review, and that Mr. Hagel expected the services to address any   
   shortcomings.   
      
   “The secretary believes all service members deserve the best   
   medical and administrative support possible,” he said. “He is,   
   of course, concerned by any indication or allegation they have   
   not received such support. His expectation is that leaders at   
   all levels will strive to correct errors made, when and where   
   they are made.”   
      
   The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the   
   government’s invasion rationale.   
      
   After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Bush insisted   
   that Mr. Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass   
   destruction program, in defiance of international will and at   
   the world’s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not   
   find evidence for these claims.   
      
   Then, during the long occupation, American troops began   
   encountering old chemical munitions in hidden caches and   
   roadside bombs.   
      
   Typically 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter   
   rockets, they were remnants of an arms program Iraq had rushed   
   into production in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.   
      
   All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said.   
   Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be   
   readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty,   
   though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or   
   residual sarin.   
      
   Most could not have been used as designed, and when they   
   ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area,   
   according to those who collected the majority of them.   
      
   In case after case, participants said, analysis of these   
   warheads and shells reaffirmed intelligence failures. First, the   
      
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