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   On 01/05/2015 11:40 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   > Good stuff.   
      
   > Advocates for birthright citizenship for aliens either through   
   > ignorance, or deception, attempt to pretend "subject to the   
   > jurisdiction" means only one thing: location at time of birth. It does   
   > not, and never had such a meaning during the time period in question.   
   > Simply being on US soil (limits) does not automatically make you a   
   > "subject" of US jurisdiction like some pro-alien advocates would like   
   > to believe.   
      
   You sure are stretching the words here to try to make your case. The law   
   is clear if you are born in the United States and "subject to the   
   jurisdiction thereof" means that if you are born in the United States   
   and not subject to the jurisdiction of it, then you are not a citizen.   
   Otherwise you are.   
      
   So if you are a diplomat and have a child who is born here. They are NOT   
   citizens. Why? Because the embassy is essentially a foreign country. The   
   child is subject to the jurisdiction of it's parents who are living in a   
   foreign country and under it's jurisdiction. But an American Diplomat   
   living in a foreign country who has a child (especially born in the   
   embassy) is obviously automatically an American citizen. By the same   
   arguments.   
      
   But now the case in point of a guy born in Louisiana and captured in the   
   Middle East somewhere. Oddly, since he was arrested by Americans and   
   under their "jurisdiction" by that arrest, it seems clear that this guy   
   CLEARLY fits the definition of a citizen. There is NOTHING in the 14th   
   amendment making allegiance a requirement as you are suggesting.   
      
   Now children born here by illegal invaders, however is a slightly   
   different question. Are they under U.S, "jurisdiction"? Maybe, maybe   
   not. It is interesting to note that the current move to grant all   
   illegals driver's licenses is one more step toward placing them ALL   
   under U.S. "jurisdiction"!  An important issue. When illegals are   
   arrested that clearly places them under U.S. jurisdiction and their   
   children by default. Hence the ironic thing here is that by arresting   
   and deporting illegals, you are automatically making all their children   
   born here citizens!   
      
   Again there is no allegiance condition in the 14th Amendment. In fact   
   the U.S. commonly allows dual citizenship such as U.S.-Israeli etc.   
      
      
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