Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"
|    az.politics    |    Arizona politics    |    3,153 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 1,898 of 3,153    |
|    Intelligent Party to All    |
|    You Can't Sit At Home Without An Income     |
|    03 Jun 20 18:43:30    |
      XPost: fl.politics, houston.politics, tx.politics       XPost: alt.abortion, talk.abortion       From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com              The U.S. has a huge problem. COVID has not gone away, and is not going to go       away. The issue is you cannot go to work and get COVID, and you cannot stay at       home without an income and a forbearance on rent and debt. And 60% of       businesses       will fail if there is not a forbearance on debt and rents. Letting businesses       fail due to COVID is not the free market. It is madness. For this ought to       be an       "Economic Pause," and not a "Great Depression."                     It's time for Congress to step in and enact the following plan:              1. $1,250 per month for every man woman and child, until COVID is over, + one       year       past the end of COVID, so they do not have to work, and are only working for       extra       money. Not because they could otherwise die without money/starve/be without       housing, and can thereby be exploited by employers. Dependents ought to get       their       payments directly, akin to child support.              We can't keep from going to work indefinitely without incomes, but if we go to       work we will die, and the healthcare costs will be enormous. The cost of COVID       should go all into the National Debt. $1,250 per month for every man woman and       child should be paid out for starters. $15,000 per person per year. $416       Billion       per month, $5 Trillion per year. The Fed will buy the bonds. Congress can go       into debt indefinitely it's just fiat money at the top, the Fed prints money       and       buys the Bonds for Congress to spend. Inflation is the other side of the coin,       and not our concern here. We need a fiscal stimulus.              There will not automatically be revenues and employment the day COVID is over,       and       so the protectionism must continue for 1 year after.              It's what we buy as a society, that we purchase what we need at the bottom and       thereby build the bottom. If supermarkets and take-out have inflation, then       maybe       people will open more supermarkets and take-out?              A forbearance on rent and debt, except new rent and new debt. New lending,       debt,       and renting ought _not_ be subject to this provision.              Non-payment of credit card debt acquired before the provision date, ought to       still       say "OK" or "PAID AS AGREED" during COVID, and for one year following COVID,       and       no lawsuits ought be allowed to ensue. Likewise, landlords ought not be       allowed       to give bad references regarding nonpayment of rent during COVID, or be       reported       to a government agency which will handle it, and no lawsuits in favor of       landlords       for back payments or non payments during COVID and for one year following COVID       ought to be allowed - while the same landlords will have no obligations to bank       mortgages. But new rentals and new debt ought not be subject to this       provision.              Forbearance is for all non-new debt and rent, such as student loans, car loans,       corporate loans and bonds, and debt, and any other loans.              New lending, new debt, new mortgages, and new renting ought not be subject to       this       provision.              The forbearance means the banks will not be getting any mortgage or credit card       payments at all, and the Fed may temporarily have to lend more to banks. This       is       an "Economic Pause," the banks aren't holding troubled assets.              2. Employee protections. Employees must be able to quit and come back at any       time       before or after COVID is over, and with no penalty. As the landscape may       change       and they assess the danger in their County/community. Employees must be fully       advised as to this right, and continue to be warned as to the dangers of       working,       at the office entrance. Employing someone to commit self-harm is the issue,       but       at least with the $1,250 and forbearance they are not forced to work or die       without money.              3. Consumers must be protected from sale, and fully know and continue to be       warned       by advisement at any opening store entrances, about COVID. Consumer       protections -       Advisement, Marketing, Advertising, as well as not creating crowds for economic       profit, as this is harder to regulate if it is not persistent. The thing is,       we       really should study what advisements ought to be to regulate. For instance,       the       grievance is addressed in that we can put labeling on Cigarettes, but       Cigarettes       have insufficient labeling. Good advisement regulation deserves attention.        But       restrictions ought to be between the government and the commercial entity, and       between the commercial entity and its patrons. Regulation of commerce, and       trespassing. Not crimes between citizens and the government.              4. a) Stay-at-home-from-work - Willfully. This should still be advice, but up       to       the employee. The Employer does not have to be prohibited if the people are       not       forced into work, as they have a forbearance and $1,250. Businesses can       exercise       corporate responsibility and stay closed if they do not have to pay debt and       rent.        No more demonstrators to open the economy. Employees merely need advice like       Consumers do.              b) Respect for other's personal space. Social Distancing, based on protecting       and       respecting another person's personal space, not for violating the government.       While your right to use public property without violating others is sacrosanct,       you cannot come within the determined number of feet of someone without _that_       person's permission. 6 feet while moving normally, and 10-15 feet while       stationary where crowds are not a potential. Where crowds are a potential,       10-15       feet while moving, and 20-30 feet while stationary may be better, as this       social       distancing is more likely to be broken.              Negligence may be rebuked and shall be excused, intentionally violating       someone's       personal space is potentially criminal, though two wrongs do not make a right,       any       more than three do, and three don't, and especially in this confusing evolving       environment, as always, forgiveness is in order for the repentant. People       really       ought to be more tolerant, and love one another more, during COVID. It's your       personal bubble, why not keep it a good one.              c) Keeping a distance for your own safety. While you absolutely have a right       to       come within the determined number of feet of someone who consents, during       COVID it       is *strongly* suggested you do not associate with strangers at all, and you       limit       the number of people you associate with entirely. It would be entirely stupid       to       be at a party with people you do not even meet, but putting yourself at greater       danger. If you can't work miracles, or meet with someone who does, this covers       Church. While you always 100% have every right to go to Church, according to       the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca