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   >>>>>>>>>>>> obvious attacks there is no implication at all that such   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> societies considered killing a child before it reached the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> age to be recognized as a tribal member.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a woman says she has a bun in the oven does that imply   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she will give birth to a doughnut?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be a simple medical procedure involving the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman and her doctor only.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You've done nothing but attempt to water down the term baby   
   which is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> typical of those who favor killing them in the womb.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I support the right of a woman to decide whether to complete   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> her pregnancy or terminate it.  How and why she would make   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> her decision does not concern me nor do I care what that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> decision is as long as she freely has the choice of either   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> option.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I consider it none of my business and something that should   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> be strictly between her and her doctor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You approve of killing babies.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Not at all.  I support the right of a woman to choose   
   >>>>>>>>>> whether or not to have a baby.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Which means.....drumroll please...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You approve of killing babies when the woman doesn't want it.  At   
   >>>>>>>>> least admit what you stand for.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> All babies have been born alive.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So when an abortion results in a child that is showing signs of life,   
   >>>>>>> you would demand they treat it, right?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I stand for exactly what I said.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes you do.  You have "stood by" your definition of calling a baby   
   >>>>>>> whatever you want it to mean.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That almost never happens, but if it is born alive it is a   
   >>>>>> person with the rights and legal protection of any person.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I suspect it happens far more frequently than you know.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What you suspect is irrelevant.  The facts show most   
   >>>> abortions occur very early and very few occur during late   
   >>>> term and most of these are based upon medical necessary.   
   >>>   
   >>> Goal post moving noted.   
   >>   
   >> Nonsense, as we both know.  Your "suspect" is still   
   >> irrelevant.  It is hardly fact.   
   >>   
   >   
   > The goalpost moving is attempting to dismiss the subject  because of   
   > your unproven premise.  Even then it's irrelevent to the subject.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The earlier the procedure the less impact it has on the   
   >>>> woman so only an idiot who could find an equal idiot doctor   
   >>>> would have a late term abortion by choice.  It would be   
   >>>> easier on her to just give birth unless there was a medical   
   >>>> reason involved.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Kill em early eh?   
   >>   
   >> Terminate the process early to reduce the physical impact on   
   >> the woman involved.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Except for the deaths of the babies involved.  Lot of phyiscal impact   
   > there.   
   >   
   > Your matter of fact attitude towards the destruction of human life is   
   > sickening.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> You seem to think it is a frequent occurrence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Your response to my question was rather weak.  In these cases, is it   
   >>>>> mandatory to save the life of the child if possible?  It's a simple   
   >>>>> question.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The delineation is very clear.  After live birth there is an   
   >>>> individual with rights.  Before live birth there is no such   
   >>>> individual.  No "child" yet exists.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> What's your delineation?  Are you one of those who try to tell us that   
   >>> until the baby is fully out of the womb and cord snipped and   
   >>> breathing, it's not a baby?   
   >>   
   >> Exactly.  That was the historical definition.   
   >   
   > Only by the pro-abortion crowd. That's how we ended up with partial   
   > birth abortion.   
      
   The subject is the killing of organisms you consider to be "babies." You're   
   caught in a trap and you don't know how to extricate yourself, so you start   
   blabbering about "change of topic." There is no change of topic.   
      
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