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   XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics   
   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 8/28/2024 3:38 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   > On 8/28/2024 9:20 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >> On 8/28/2024 4:15 AM, NoBody wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 17:05:06 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 8/27/2024 2:11 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>> On 8/27/2024 2:03 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 12:35:03 -0600, Just Wondering   
   >>>>>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> {snip}   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The fact that any of them even exists shows that fetuses   
   >>>>>>>>> are unborn humans.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No one questions the species involved - simple DNA proves   
   >>>>>>>> that.  The issue is at what point an individual human being   
   >>>>>>>> comes into existence.  Historically it has never been prior   
   >>>>>>>> to live birth.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Historically you are wrong.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The laws involving a fetus and a born child prove you wrong.   
   >>>>>> After birth a child can inherit, be a tax deduction, be   
   >>>>>> counted in a census, own property, be a citizen under the   
   >>>>>> proper laws, and need a passport, again under certain laws   
   >>>>>> in certain locations among other things.  None of this can   
   >>>>>> apply to a fetus.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> There's your problem.  You write of statutes.  I speak of   
   >>>>> biological reality.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There is no "biological reality" about whether a fetus is a person. And   
   >>>> personhood, not "human life" or "unborn human" is the debate.   
   >>>   
   >>> Actually you avoided the use of the term "baby" which is the term   
   >>> we've been discussing from the beginning.  Why is that?   
   >>   
   >> There is no biological reality about whether a fetus is a baby.   
   >  >   
   > https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-   
   > depth/prenatal-care/art-20045302   (EXCERPT)   
   >   
   > "By the 10th week of pregnancy, or eight weeks after conception, your   
   > baby's head has become more round.   
   > Your baby can now bend his or her elbows. Toes and fingers lose their   
   > webbing and become longer. The eyelids and external ears continue to   
   > develop. The umbilical cord is clearly visible.   
   >   
   > At the beginning of the 11th week of pregnancy, or the ninth week after   
   > conception, your baby's head still makes up about half of its length.   
   > However, your baby's body is about to catch up.  Your baby is now   
   > officially described as a fetus."   
   >   
   > There's more, but the Mayo Clinic plainly describes a fetus as a baby.   
      
   That description is not based on a biological reality.   
      
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