XPost: alt.abortion, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   XPost: sac.politics   
   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 9/5/2024 8:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >   
   > Nope, I just pointed out the ramifications if infant rights only exist   
   > post birth. Which would also mean, you could charge someone with murder   
   > for killing an unborn child.. since they are by the standard set.. not a   
   > person.   
   >   
   > So.. Do they have rights prior to birth or not?   
   >   
   > You can't have it both ways at the same time.   
      
   A fetus has some rights that increase as the pregnancy progresses, but   
   it does not achieve personhood until birth.   
      
   For example, you can logically and consistently 1) charge someone with   
   murder of a non-person fetus if it is intentionally killed without the   
   woman's permission at any stage of the pregnancy, 2) permit abortion   
   before fetal viability for any reason because the woman's liberty rights   
   are more important than the life of a non-viable fetus, and 3) permit   
   abortion after fetal viability only to save the life or health of the   
   woman because her life and health are important than the life of a   
   viable fetus.   
      
   > Agreed.. but now that we've set a basic notion that a some point between   
   > conception and birth the fetus does achieve personhood   
      
   Per above, I do not agree with that claim.   
      
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