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   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 9/6/2024 12:01 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   > On 9/6/2024 11:36 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >> On 9/6/2024 10:22 AM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>> On 9/6/2024 9:41 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
      
   {snip}   
      
   >>>> Also, Congress is permitted to enact legislation that takes the   
   >>>> issue away from the states.   
   >>>   
   >>> Where in Article II of the Constitution is Congress granted that power?   
   >>   
   >> You mean Article I. It's the Necessary and Proper Clause bringing into   
   >> execution the Commerce Clause which permits Congress to regulate   
   >> economic activity which substantially impacts interstate commerce   
   >> (Gonzales v. Raich, 2005). Abortion services are economic activity.   
   >   
   > You're right about Article I not II.   
   > The Necessary and Proper Clause is not a grant of power to Congress,   
      
   True. I said it was the N&P Clause bringing into execution a Commerce   
   Clause power, not the N&P Clause standing by itself.   
      
   > and anyway it's not necessary and proper for Congress to act in areas   
   > that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments reserve to the states.   
      
   You are begging the question (is abortion reserved by the 9th or 10th)?   
      
   > Abortions aren't economic activity.  They aren't interstate commerce.   
   > They're medical procedures, usually not interstate.   
      
   Medical procedures are part of the economy, just like any other service.   
   And again, Congress may regulate local economic activity that   
   substantially affects interstate commerce. I'm sure you disagree with   
   SCOTUS, but that's what they held in Raich.   
      
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