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   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 9/6/2024 3:29 PM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 12:42:03 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 9/6/2024 12:11 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 08:41:25 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>  wrote:   
      
   {snip}   
      
   >>>> Personhood is critical because if the fetus is a person, the liberty and   
   >>>> rights and the health of the woman must take a back seat (her life still   
   >>>> would take precedence). But if the fetus is a not a person, then we have   
   >>>> a tradeoff between the life of the fetus and the liberty and health of   
   >>>> the woman. I agree that tradeoff is informed by emotion. But, there   
   >>>> would be no tradeoff if the fetus is a person.   
   >>>   
   >>> If a fetus is not a person there is no tradeoff since the   
   >>> only person with rights involved is the woman.   
   >>   
   >> Is a law which proscribes animal torture unconstitutional because it   
   >> violates the liberty rights of a person?   
   >   
   > Currently, no.  But if legislation defined an animal as a   
   > person it would be.   
      
   WTF? If legislation defined an animal as a person (*), how would a law   
   which banned animal torture be unconstitutional? Such a law would be   
   protecting legislatively-defined persons.   
      
   (*) Leaving aside that legislation can't define what a "person" means in   
   the 14th Amendment.   
      
   >>>> Also, Congress is permitted to enact legislation that takes the issue   
   >>>> away from the states.   
   >>>   
   >>> Under what law?   
   >>   
   >> Currently, partial-birth abortion is banned nationwide. Congress could   
   >> choose to ban all abortions nationwide. Or, it could prevent any state   
   >>from banning abortions.   
   >   
   > Not without a Constitutional Amendment.   
      
   FFS. Congress banned partial-birth abortion, no amendment needed.   
      
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