XPost: alt.abortion, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   XPost: sac.politics   
   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 9/9/2024 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:   
   > On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:02:05 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 9/8/2024 7:18 AM, NoBody wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 07:37:07 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 9/7/2024 6:21 AM, NoBody wrote:   
   >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 12:13:46 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 9/6/2024 12:01 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 11:36 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 10:22 AM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 9:41 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> {snip}   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Also, Congress is permitted to enact legislation that takes the   
   >>>>>>>>>> issue away from the states.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Where in Article II of the Constitution is Congress granted that   
   power?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You mean Article I. It's the Necessary and Proper Clause bringing into   
   >>>>>>>> execution the Commerce Clause which permits Congress to regulate   
   >>>>>>>> economic activity which substantially impacts interstate commerce   
   >>>>>>>> (Gonzales v. Raich, 2005). Abortion services are economic activity.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You're right about Article I not II.   
   >>>>>>> The Necessary and Proper Clause is not a grant of power to Congress,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> True. I said it was the N&P Clause bringing into execution a Commerce   
   >>>>>> Clause power, not the N&P Clause standing by itself.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> and anyway it's not necessary and proper for Congress to act in areas   
   >>>>>>> that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments reserve to the states.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You are begging the question (is abortion reserved by the 9th or 10th)?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But YOU begging the question by claiming it can be controlled as   
   >>>>> economic activity is fine?  Don't forget some abortions are done at no   
   >>>>> cost.  What's your justification then?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Services provided at any cost, including for free, are still economic   
   >>>> activity.   
   >>>   
   >>> All  you have to do is show any abortion law upheld based on your   
   >>> premise.  You dodged the free abortions part completely.   
   >>>   
   >>>> The federal partial-birth abortion ban, passed in 2003, is constitutional.   
   >>>   
   >>> Not under discussion.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, it is. You asked for any federal abortion law that was upheld.   
   >   
   > That's seriously dishonest of you.  I asked for an abortion law upheld   
   > on the basis of it being "economic activity"  It's right above.  WTF?   
      
   The PBA was challenged as unconstitutional under Roe. SCOTUS held it was   
   permissible. SCOTUS could have said it was nonetheless unconstitutional   
   as a violation of the Tenth Amendment (not within Congress's enumerated   
   powers) because it was not a regulation of economic activity that had a   
   substantial affect on interstate commerce. They didn't do that.   
      
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