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   Scout to Attila   
   Re: Fetuses are unborn humans   
   11 Sep 24 13:08:13   
   
   XPost: alt.abortion, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Attila"  wrote in message   
   news:av91ej9ub73dtao70jlt6qfm8hesa48lpv@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:15:41 -0500, "Scout"   
   >  in alt.abortion   
   > with message-id  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>"Attila"  wrote in message   
   >>news:5psudjp8iudu337t35ua4q5pqi3hqob6b2@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 09:24:28 -0700, "john h."   
   >>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On 9/8/2024 1:54 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:20:35 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 9/8/2024 8:13 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:57:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>>>>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 9/8/2024 4:25 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 00:27:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>>>>>>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:49 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Right! Like it or not, Roe is gone. And therefore, legislatures   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> can ban   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion even though a fetus is not a person.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> True.  But that can be reversed with the proper legal steps.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You are expecting SCOTUS to reverse course and reinstate Roe?   
   >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, no.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Of course not, but there could be legislation and/or   
   >>>>>>>>> Amendments or other court cases that effectively do the same   
   >>>>>>>>> thing.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> There can't be other court cases that apply the federal   
   >>>>>>>> constitution.   
   >>>>>>>> SCOTUS has spoken and all other courts are bound by their decision.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Sigh.  Another SCOTUS case of course.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> WTF? You just said "of course not" to whether SCOTUS will reinstate   
   >>>>>> Roe,   
   >>>>>> and argued that *other* court cases can do the same job. What *other*   
   >>>>>> SCOTUS court cases are you talking about?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yes, there can be legislation by Congress that forbids the states   
   >>>>>>>> from   
   >>>>>>>> banning abortion (even though you said Congress can't do that).   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I am not an attorney.  I will not argue specific laws   
   >>>>>>> because I am not qualified to do so, and neither your   
   >>>>>>> opinion or mine will impact legal procedures.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And of course there are several drugs available.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I'm not sure what happens to you, but is illegal in Alabama to   
   >>>>>>>> mail,   
   >>>>>>>> receive or use these drugs for abortions.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I doubt that will survive a court challenge.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Roe is wrong. SCOTUS said Alabama can ban abortion.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> At this point I am torn between whether you are an idiot or a troll.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Neither,  I simply support anything that would reestablish   
   >>>>> the right of a  woman to decide whether or not to terminate   
   >>>>> her pregnancy.  Not being an attorney I don't know what   
   >>>>> legal path would be necessary.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Abortion is a political red herring.  Women have been killing babies and   
   >>>>themselves for centuries.  In modern times, it's used for ethnic   
   >>>>population control.   
   >>>   
   >>> In some locations, yes.  Not in the US.   
   >>   
   >>The numbers for abortions could tend to suggest otherwise.   
   >>   
   >>Location: United States   
   >>White: 30%   
   >>Black: 42%   
   >>Hispanic: 22%   
   >>Other: 5%   
   >>Total: 95%   
   >>(I'm assuming the other 5% weren't reported.)   
   >>   
   >>https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abort   
   ons-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Loca   
   ion%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D   
   >>   
   >>US Population   
   >>White: 59.3%   
   >>Black: 12.6%   
   >>Hispanic / Latino: 18.9%   
   >>Other: 7.3%   
   >>   
   >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States   
   >>   
   >>   
   > I would suggest   
      
   Your 'suggestion' is irrelevant. The facts suggest something contrary to   
   your assertion.   
      
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