XPost: alt.abortion, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Attila"  wrote in message   
   news:8e91ejl3vts57cups7k8lcln6p2tjbjqhm@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:57:11 -0500, "Scout"   
   >  in alt.abortion   
   > with message-id  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>"Attila"  wrote in message   
   >>news:t1sudjhv10tg9qgjtsc2h4lfgmblknhnbe@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 09:52:04 -0500, "Scout"   
   >>>  in alt.abortion   
   >>> with message-id  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"Attila"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:2a7ldjtciqa5ehsmil8ffmnr3pckil7fom@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> On Thu, 5 Sep 2024 20:07:35 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth   
   >>>>>  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On 9/5/2024 8:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Nope, I just pointed out the ramifications if infant rights only   
   >>>>>>> exist   
   >>>>>>> post birth. Which would also mean, you could charge someone with   
   >>>>>>> murder   
   >>>>>>> for killing an unborn child.. since they are by the standard set..   
   >>>>>>> not   
   >>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>> person.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So.. Do they have rights prior to birth or not?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You can't have it both ways at the same time.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>A fetus has some rights that increase as the pregnancy progresses, but   
   >>>>>>it does not achieve personhood until birth.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>For example, you can logically and consistently 1) charge someone with   
   >>>>>>murder of a non-person fetus if it is intentionally killed without the   
   >>>>>>woman's permission at any stage of the pregnancy,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Only if the local laws state this.  It is not automatically   
   >>>>> true everywhere.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>True, we could say much the same about slavery.   
   >>>   
   >>> Slavery is illegal by law.   
   >>   
   >>In the US.. meanwhile in Africa slavery is still taking place.   
   >   
   > I live in the US under US law.   
      
   I see. So as long as it doesn't effect you.. Fuck 'em.   
      
   Hmm.. Well if someone were to slit your throat and laugh as you bled out..   
   that wouldn't effect me.   
      
   So no crime committed.   
      
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