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   Attila to with message-id   
   Re: Fetuses are unborn humans (2/2)   
   11 Sep 24 17:17:11   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>As I said.. a double standard.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> This entire argument boils down to the question of who has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the primary rights when a woman is pregnant, the woman or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the fetus/baby/whatever.  A choice must be made as it is an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> all or nothing situation with no possible compromise which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfies both sides.  The pregnancy is terminated, or it is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> not.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Yep, and unless you're going to claim a baby has NO rights until   
   >>>>>>>>>>>after   
   >>>>>>>>>>>being   
   >>>>>>>>>>>born.... then at some point the rights of the fetus to exist and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>continue   
   >>>>>>>>>>>exist supersede those of the mother.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Why should the rights of the potential individual exceed the   
   >>>>>>>>>> rights of the existing individual?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Because their existence is no longer a matter of potential but of   
   >>>>>>>>>physical   
   >>>>>>>>>fact.. specifically the point where they could survive outside the   
   >>>>>>>>>mother.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Fine.  Remove it and let someone else take care of it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Sorry, but you are responsible for your offspring. Many well   
   >>>>>>>established   
   >>>>>>>court rulings on that matter.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There are many ways to give up  a child for adoption.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>So that means they weren't aborted. Further until they ARE adopted or   
   >>>>>otherwise legally removed from your custody, they are indeed legally   
   >>>>>your   
   >>>>>obligation to care for and protect. Your comment only validates what I   
   >>>>>stated above, as it requires LEGAL action to absolve your responsibility   
   >>>>>to   
   >>>>>your child, and until then you are and remain responsible for that   
   >>>>>child.   
   >>>>>In   
   >>>>>some cases your legal obligations may continue to exist even though you   
   >>>>>don't   
   >>>>>have custody or possession of the child in question.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't argue those points.  However those are all financial   
   >>>> obligations while the woman involved is risking her life and   
   >>>> health up to the point where she isn't.   
   >>>   
   >>>Well, it's good to know that no worker deaths ever occur and that there   
   >>>are   
   >>>no issues with workplace safety or health issues.   
   >>   
   >> Irrelevant.  People drop dead walking down the street.   
   >   
   >Yep, and if we was due to some killing them.. they're probably going to jail   
   >for it.   
   >   
   >> Few workers are required to work at a particular job and   
   >> cannot quit.   
   >   
   >I see, so as long as you're being paid to do it.. that makes murder for hire   
   >legal?   
   >   
   >   
   You are being argumentative.   
      
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