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  To: T.J. Mcmillen
  Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
  By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 06:12 pm

 >
 > JH> You should just say it's YOUR copy of renegade.  Just let people run
 > JH> what want and leave behind the stress of being the official renegade
 > JH> developer.
 >
 > That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard come out of your mouth.
 >
 > Thats
 > like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out
 > and then left for awhile, and then started up again.
 >
 > There is no stress for being an RG delevoper.  I have just contiunued the
well you arent the original author of renegade;it's not your baby. you are one
of a long line of contributers.

 > There is no stress for being an RG delevoper.  I have just contiunued the
 > path I made since 2003.  No one stepped up to do anything.  And the old site
 > saying Renegade isn't in development is the dumbest thing I ever saw.  I've
 > released

Well that's not the 'old site'; that IS the Renegade site.
Renegadebbs.info has been around for 10 years and that's the site that
renegadebbs.net directs to.

It's the site that comes up when you search for renegade.
It's on a rented server and it's up all the time and has been around a long
time.

you were gone for a while and then came back.  i'm not sure how long you were
gone but it seemed like quite a stretch.

i have links to github and your releases.
I think i'm pretty honest about the current state of renegade.

 > you'd advertise that.  You can't say it's been there, because you updated
 > the site within the last few months after I removed all the old 1.19a source
 > code from Github.  I just don't get you sometimes.

i didnt even know you took it off of github? why did you do that?
i updated the rg site  when i was playing around with the telgard site.
there's no ulterior motive.

 > I happen to like RG.  And yes, it is the official version as I was passed
 > the code from Patrick and continued from it.  There is nothing released
 > inbetween what I've done since 2003, so yes, it is the official version.
 > Maybe for all 10 boards that run Renegade, maybe 3 update and stay updated,
 > but it's still inline for the official title.


I used to like renegade. that was until people took it and fucked with it and
SHIT ON IT. Now i don't like it at all.  Jesse and I have that site up incase
people need files and want help.  I think i've done a pretty good job and you
certainly have dropped the fucking ball in that department.

You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a domain
up long, long ago.

Instead you were doing this visit my bbs and download it shit.  that's didnt
cut it. i believe before then you had bbsfiles's doug doing stuff for you.
that was poor judgement too. now you will never have renegadebbs.net

I'm spending my money on hosting this stuff and getting nothing in return.
I link to your site.  I have links to github. There's nothing wrong with what
i'm doing.

But again, renegade isnt your baby. And cott lang giving out the code out was
a big mistake because look at what happened with renegade all those years.
There's very little interest in our hobby so you shouldn't expect people to
take the source code and run with it.


 > www.rgbbs.info has everything you need for RG.  From 11-26.3 (2003) up until
 > v1.30 of this month.  So,I don't know why you need to try and promote old
 > versions and have the latest as a footnote on the bottom as a link to RG's
 > site.

it's a file archive.  renegade is more than just about your contributions.
I did the same with all my bbs related websites.  Sometimes people want to see
the old version and try them out. You can read the documentation and find
things the author added that you didnt know about sometimes.  On my bbses i
still host all those old renegade mods that don't work anymore because you
guys borked the datafiles and menu files. should i just delete all that?

 > I dunno, like I said, sometimes I just don't get you.

if you have any questions just ask. i just don't like things getting lost.
There's some things I'm just great at doing. I am good at sticking around and
i'm good at being organized and i try to give people what they want.  I've
outlasted many people that tried to copy what i did in the bbs community.  I
never wanted to even do this shit. i always just wanted to be a user.

i'm not mad at you and i don't think you're an asshole. i just think you need
to relax a bit. i'm not sure if this is about ego or your love of the software.
I loved renegade too until it got taken over and changed. then i went to
iniquity and the same shit happened.

If i were you i'd really make renegade your own and change it a lot more if
you are able. another guy made renegade/x and maybe that's something you need
to do to give your version more exposure and to really own it as your own.
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