XPost: van.general, bc.politics   
   From: Canuck57@nospam.com   
      
   On 01/05/2010 7:46 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:   
      
   >>> As far as independents go, it wouldn't work. 45 independent voices would   
   >>> mean nothing would get done.   
   >>   
   >> And no new taxes. ;)   
   >   
   > Don't be too sure about that. Taxes come and go, having independents would   
   > not mean an absolute abolition of any new taxes.   
      
   I might even agree with that.  But perhaps get a more honest government.   
      
   The big problem today isn't that it is Liberal, NDP or Conservative, it   
   is the corruption and government inefficiencies.  I would vote for   
   anyone that I thought was less corrupt.  Given independents are usually   
   not corrupted by big money, that is why I vote for them.   
      
   Because when government become too much of a burden on people, it is   
   because of union lethargy and inefficiency, politicial corruption and   
   incorrect priorities of government.   
      
   Todays party politicians accept that the corruption is a normal way of   
   government business even though it does not have to be that way.   
      
   Take Jaffer, many if not all politicians think his only crime was   
   getting caught.  When in reality he is the tip of the iceberg being   
   handed out to foster the perception that Ottawa has some integrity.  Be   
   it Jaffer, Mulroney or Liberal ad-scammers that is how Ottawa does business.   
      
   And the root cause is Ottawa has too much of our money and attracts the   
   corruption.  The rules of why and how of taxation have been bastardized   
   to support this corruption.  Getting government out of corporate   
   subsidies, money for nothing and buddy schemes is essential for it to   
   become efficient and not corrupt.   
      
   NDP, Lib and Cons -- none will clean up the mess they collectively   
   created.  Neither federally or provincially.   
      
   >> But out of the mess, a new party will form as alliances are made.   
   >   
   > Been down that road. All that would do is further seperate and stagnate   
   > goverment, also opens the barn door for "deals".   
      
   Not really.  I sit harder to corrupt 2 leaders or 4?  At least it drives   
   up the costs of putting party leaders in the pockets for favours.   
      
   >> Sometimes having a minority or dead locked government is a good thing as   
   >> the last thing the leder wants to do is face an election on taxing people   
   >> even more.   
   >   
   > Minority governments have passed tax initatives.   
      
   Yes, but rarely. And more often than not tax reductions not increases.   
   For example majority gets GST, minority gets GST reduction.  As no   
   politician wants the opposition making an election on tax increases   
   while it is fresh in voters heads.   
      
   We are a managed herd.   
      
   >>> As far as new parties go, we've been down that road before so many times   
   >>> there's ruts in the asphalt. The BC Conservatives (Chris Delaney) were   
   >>> originally for the HST, now they aren't.   
   >>   
   >> Sure sign of a opporunistic ass hole, flip-flop.  Means he has no morals   
   >> or conviction.   
   >   
   > Just like vanderZalm. He brought in the Property Transfer Tax without any   
   > consultation and you're still paying it when you buy a previously owned   
   > home.   
      
   And had a majority government.  Should it have been a minority with   
   independants carrying the balance it is doubtful it would have passed.   
      
   >>>> Excesive taxation is modern days slavery.   
   >>>   
   >>> Partially true, but those taxes pay for your sewage pipes, the fire   
   >>> department, your roads, your police, etc. etc.   
   >>   
   >> For the small percentage that actually makes it to these common essential   
   >> services, yes, that part is good.  But that is only the small part.   
   >   
   > Also pays for highways bridges, a large amount of big stuff.   
      
   No one has problems with the common good, where most people have   
   problems with is the huge amount not spent on the common good and the   
   sheer inefficiencies of government.   
      
   When efficiencies are measured, government spends very little on common   
   good.  Ottawa spends more on itself than CPP/OAS/healthcare/education   
   combined.  YET IDIOTS LIKE YOU DON'T QUESTION IT and wose yet, vte to   
   support it.   
      
   >> People date not take a rational look at their governments budget, they   
   >> might get very surprised where the money really goes.   
   >   
   > I've seen where the money comes from and goes.   
      
   Good, then you know or are a liar.  Governmetn waste is everywhere   
   starting right at the top.   
      
   >>>> Are we being heard or are we a herd?   
   >>>   
   >>> Both. Depends on what kind of animal you are.   
   >>   
   >> Voters are not heard in this country, they are a herd of tax paying sheep.   
   >   
   > Well if you have a workable solution that's been tried successfully in other   
   > countries, we'd love to hear it, and better yet put it as a policy   
   > suggestion   
   > to one of the major parties. You'll never see any parliament with 100%   
   > independents anywhere in the Commonwealth.   
      
   Yes, less government footprint on the taxpayer/workers and better more   
   efficient government, like China.   
      
   --   
   Are we being heard or are we a herd?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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