XPost: bc.politics, van.general, vic.general
From: Canuck57@nospam.com
On 28/05/2010 7:47 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:
> "Canuck57" wrote in message
> news:EmELn.66089$jt.42689@newsfe04.iad...
>> On 27/05/2010 12:07 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:
>>> "Canuck57" wrote in message
>>> news:SztLn.21245$HG1.18525@newsfe21.iad...
>>>> On 27/05/2010 5:54 AM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KqhLn.92721$0M5.15400@newsfe07.iad...
>>>>>> Yes ! Point Grey is a wealthy neighbourhood of people who could
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> afford paying more taxes - moreso than 90% of the rest of the
>>>>>> Province,
>>>>>> but even THEY are fed up. Good on you, Point-Grey residents. Two
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> ridings to go, and it's done.
>>>>>> Then we see if Campbell and his dogs dare to defy the voters on having
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> GST referendum - and killing the HST.
>>>>>
>>>>> The HST will stay. You should now go after the NDP to ensure that they
>>>>> repeal it as a condition
>>>>> of their becoming government, as the BC Liberals will not get rid of
>>>>> the
>>>>> HST.
>>>>
>>>> NDP repeal taxes, LMAO. No way to enforce that as a condition either.
>>>> BCers need a new party. Start by voting in lots of independent types
>>>> which signals you want a better choice than the Lib or NDP.
>>>
>>> Alot of good that will do. You'll initially have 85 individual and
>>> independent voices which will appeal to persons like yourself, but
>>> over time a few of those "indpendent voices" will congeal into a group to
>>> vote together on something as a majority to get something
>>> passed that the other independent voices don't like, so they will congeal
>>> into a group of opposition.
>>
>> Tehy will congeal in so long as they can do what is best for their riding.
>> If not they might be pounding pavement the next election.
>
> That isn't going to happen since what one riding might want, another one
> won't.
>
>>
>>> and just who decides who is responsible for what Ministry? One
>>> independent
>>> voice on his own cannot decide to take over one
>>> Ministry because he has an interest in that Ministry's subject without
>>> consideration of the others.
>>
>> They can decide collectively. Have a run off election amongst themselves.
>> You don't have to be an expert to lead or run an effective department.
>> Good people can learn quick.
>
> Then you've lost the individual / independent candidate which was your first
> original conept, since that one person who wants it may not
> end up with it at despite his independent wish to have it. And just what is
> the critieria for those who want to go for it and for the one that
> gets it and the others do not?
>
> Again, you've now lost the individual / independent candidate thinking.
>
>
>>
>>> Then there's leadership. Who exactly brings these 85 "independent voices"
>>> together?
>>
>> What leadership do we get today? Civil servants say we need mor emoney
>> and MP/MLA just screws the people for it.
>
> Doesn't anwer the question.
>
>> Maybe a real leader will arise as they haven't been hand picked for
>> alternative reasons.
>
> A leader is only there at the pleasure of those around him or her. If such
> people don't like the leader they will cease to follow.
>
>
>>> Sounds good in the context of right wing libertarian thinking, but not
>>> particularly practical. Even the Libertarian Candidates themselves
>>> are not individual independently voiced candidates, 100%. At some point
>>> they
>>> agreed to a commonality of direction when it comes to
>>> policy.
>>
>> I am game to try it as what we have is corrupt and isn't worth keeping.
>
> Isn't going to work.
>
>>> Reminds me of the Civic Independents that featured Mike Harcourt, but
>>> that
>>> so-called "civic independents" group was hardly a
>>> group of si people with absolute individual independent voices or
>>> positioning within the politics of the City of Vancouver.
>>>
>>> As for the NDP, there is.
>>>
>>> It's quite simple. You tell them:
>>>
>>> "Either set your policies to repeal the HST or you're not getting the
>>> support it will take to become government (or NDP for this riding)"
>>
>> No, you turf the idiots as they have lied to you so many times in the past
>> you would be an utter fool not to think they wouldn't lie again, and again
>> and again.
>
> and replace them with what? So called independents who eventually congeal
> into a new group which then loses the individuality of the people in it?
>
>> I would rather be a paid up Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no
>> nuts, no job in debt and living off of other people like a leach.
>
> Easily done. Join the federal Conservatives.
>
> As for the Provincial Conservatives they are a nothing yet party and won't
> be for quite some time. They originally were supporting an HST scheme in
> B.C.
> and tried to congeal other right wing parties including some real looney
> tune parties into theirs, but didn't work.
>
> I'd rahter work towards replacing the BC Liberal or NDP leader and
> reconfiguring either party based on which one I was interested in.
I ripped up my federal conservative memebership. Too many liars doing
just what I voted for them not to do. Conservatives will never get my
vote again unless they can first prove they are worthy of my vote. Same
can be said of Liberal losers and criminals, and the NDiaPers.
Politicians are like diapers, change often to avoid the stink.
--
I would rather be a paid up Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no
nuts, no job in debt and living off of other people like a leach.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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