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   Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to convert   
   or leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the Jewish community, so the   
   Pope offered a deal. He would have a religious debate with the leader of   
   the Jewish community. If the Jews won, they could stay in Italy, if the   
   Pope won, they would have to leave.   
      
   The Jewish people met and picked an aged but wise Rabbi Moshe, to   
   represent them in the debate. However, as Moshe spoke no Italian and the   
   Pope spoke no Yiddish, they all agreed that it would be a "silent"   
   debate.   
      
   On the chosen day, the Pope and Rabbi Moshe sat opposite each other for a   
   full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers.   
   Rabbi Moshe looked back and raised one finger.   
   Next the Pope waved his finger around his head. Rabbi Moshe pointed to   
   the ground where he sat. The Pope then brought out a communion wafer and   
   a chalice of wine. Rabbi Moshe pulled out an apple. With that, the Pope   
   stood up and declared that he was beaten, that Rabbi Moshe was too clever   
   and that the Jews could stay.   
      
   Later, the Cardinals met with the Pope, asking what had happened. The   
   Pope said, "First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He   
   responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still only   
   one God common to both our beliefs. Then, I waved my finger to show him   
   that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to   
   show that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and   
   wafer to show that God absolves us of all our sins. He pulled out an   
   apple to remind me of the original sin. He had me beaten and I could not   
   continue."   
      
   Meanwhile the Jewish community were gathered around Rabbi Moshe. "How did   
   you win the debate?" they asked.   
      
   "I haven't a clue," said Moshe. "First he said to me that we had three   
   days to get out of Italy, so I said to him, ‘up yours!’ Then he tells me   
   that the whole country would be cleared of Jews and I said to him, we're   
   staying right here."   
      
   "And then what," asked a woman.   
      
   "Who knows?" said Moshe, "He took out his lunch so I took out mine."   
      
   Regarding William Grosvenor, of Edmonton, Alberta:   
      
   http://tinyurl.com/GROSVENORBLOWS  Website compilation of Grosvenor data   
   http://tinyurl.com/GROSVENORSUCKS  Warman v. Grosvenor, 2008 CanLII 57728   
   (ON SC)   
      
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