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   From: Panca@nyet.ca   
      
   Kim Dobranski aka Chom Noamsky wrote:   
   > Career troll KKKaren came over to bark up my tree on alt.global-warming, all   
   I   
   > had to do was hit her Jew-hate trigger and she embarrassed herself right off   
   > the group.   
      
   Nope . . . all I had to do was reprint all your pro-environmentalist postings   
   from a few years back to make you out a hypocrite.   
   After that, it was downhill all the way for you.  No credibility, no attention   
   from other posters.   
      
   This yours, Dobranski?   
      
   15 Jul 2014   
   Chom Noamsky:  "hateful smears diminish your own credibility far more than your   
   target".   
      
   How 'bout these?   
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   From: "Chom Noamsky"    
   Subject: Re: We are wrong on climate change   
   NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.179.53.99   
   Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:58:02 GMT   
      
   "Chom Noamsky"  writes:   
      
   Well, oil companies have been actively recruiting scientists to refute the   
   findings of the orthodoxy.  So far they haven't come up with much.  You   
   would think the players that stand to lose billions and trillions could   
   find   
   at least a good wedge or a crack in the model to exploit, but so far their   
   efforts have been fruitless. And then we have cases like White House   
   editing   
   out global warming or any hint of global warming from dozens of scientific   
   reports, to the point where scientists were quitting in disgust.  If there   
   is that much effort put into silencing the orthodoxy, the only   
   conclusion is   
   that there must be a lot of scary truth in it.   
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   Re: We are wrong on climate change   
   From: "Chom Noamsky"    
   Newsgroups: ab.politics,bc.politics,can.politics   
   Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:01:10 GMT   
      
   "Duane Gillies"  wrote   
   > How in the hell would I know or care what they [oil companies] do.   
      
   "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:   
   Becasue it involves a political cover-up of climate change?  Are you   
   deliberately trying to be obtuse, or does it just come naturally?   
      
   Your agenda is denial and skepticim for the sake of denial and skepticim...   
   that is already clear.  If you were interested in objective debate you would   
   at least try to leave your extreme bias behind.   
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   Chom Noamsky  writes:   
   Newsgroups:   
   sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology,can.politics,uk.politics.misc   
   Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:12:58 GMT   
      
   Along with the evidence I can see out my own window, I can go over to   
   the Rockies and look at the retreating glaciers.  I can talk to my   
   construction buddy in Nunavut who reports they have to sink piles deeper   
   into the ground now because the permafrost is retreating.  Another buddy   
   in Yellowknife tells me the ice roads are opening later and closing sooner.   
      
   I suspect the people who think GW is a myth live in protected urban   
   environments where the evidence just isn't visible.  People who are in   
   tune with their natural surroundings tend to be a lot more observant and   
   aware of changes in the environment.   
      
   It doesn't prove man-made global warming, but if the research data   
   DIDN'T show an upward trend in global temperatures, THAT would be a true   
   scandal.  The warming is a fact and nobody has yet been able to show the   
   warming is due to strictly natural phenomena.  The "disgraced CRU" is   
   but one research organization of many that have INDEPENDENTLY come to   
   this conclusion.   
      
   All this willful denial and ignorance can only be from shut-ins who   
   don't get out in the world much.   
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   From: Chom Noamsky    
   Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.global-warming,uk.politics.misc   
   Subject: Re: Scientists Are Kooks Who Say That Climate Change Is Real   
   Chom Noamsky 	   
   01/12/2009   
      
   - show quoted text -   
      
   I wish you could look out my window.  When I was growing up the local   
   community ski hill was a thriving place this time of year.  There was   
   never a problem getting enough snow to open the hill at the beginning of   
   December.  That would be the years roughly 1973 to 1982 that I went   
   there as a kid.  In the past 20 years it has opened twice, and only for   
   a couple of weeks before it got too warm and the snow disintegrated.  We   
   get mostly rain in the winters now.  Just a few decades ago the   
   average winter would involve several feet of snow and -15 to -40   
   temperatures.   
      
   Another look out my window reveals vast expanses of pine devastation.   
   The mountain pine beetle, which used to be kept in check by cold   
   winters, exploded and killed all the pine trees in western Canada.   
   We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of hectares of dead trees.   
      
   Last September I saw a TURKEY VULTURE flying over my backyard.  Cool.   
   It was the first one anyone had ever seen the far north up the valley.   
      
   I'm seeing the effects of climate change from my own home with my own   
   eyes.... and you're telling me the evidence is fraudulent?   
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   Chom Noamsky 	   
   01/12/2009   
      
   An unusual phenomena that carries on for two decades (and still going)   
   isn't weather.   
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