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   Mr Big must be deflated to All   
   What that RCMP 'sting' operation cost us   
   28 Feb 16 12:50:06   
   
   From: brewnoserii@gmail.com   
      
       
   The people of British Columbia - and the rest of Canada - paid nearly a   
   MILLION dollars to apprehend a drug-dependent street-level couple that was   
   muttering about placing pipe bombs at the Legislature.  Now, the entire   
   operation is under review, as the "   
   Mr Big" method of entrapping suspects is itself under investigation and review.   
      
   THIS is what happens when our 'security forces' do not have an independent   
   *civilian* oversight body to watch them.  C'mon, Justin, that was another of   
   your pre-election promises . . . .   
   ___________________________________   
   The Canadian Press  02.27.2016   
      
      
   RCMP racked up $900,000 in overtime during undercover anti-terrorism operation   
   in B.C.   
      
      
   VANCOUVER — The RCMP spent just over $900,000 in overtime pay over the   
   course of a five-month undercover operation that led to the arrests of two   
   terrorism suspects in British Columbia.   
      
   Documents obtained by The Canadian Press through a freedom-of-information   
   request show the Mounties paid at least 200 people, mostly police officers,   
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   $911,090.54 for overtime work during the investigation, which was code named   
   Project Souvenir.   
      
   The operation culminated in the arrests of common-law spouses John Nuttall and   
   Amanda Korody on July 1, 2013.  They were found guilty last summer of plotting   
   to blow up the B.C. legislature on that Canada Day.   
      
   Their convictions have not been entered while defence lawyers argue in B.C.   
   Supreme Court that the couple were manipulated by police into planting   
   homemade pressure-cooker bombs on the legislature grounds.   
      
   Defence counsel has described Nuttall and Korody as poor, methadone-dependent   
   former drug addicts, while the Crown has said they embraced a radicalized form   
   of Islam and were ready to kill and maim innocent people.   
      
   The court heard earlier that the operation involved more than 240 police   
   officers,   
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   most of whom worked behind the scenes.  Many were involved sporadically in the   
   investigation.   
      
   The bulk of the project's overtime expenses, $519,039.55, went to 100   
   constables involved in the case, while 30 corporals were paid $128,369.76 and   
   24 sergeants received $69,494.65.   Records show the Vancouver Police   
   Department was given $92,397, though    
   it's unclear how that money was divided.   
      
   The overall cost of the operation was not provided.      ﴾͡   
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   Without a breakdown of the number of work hours and officer ranks, it's   
   difficult to estimate the overall cost, given that remuneration ranges from a   
   starting salary of $48,000 a year for constables to $107,000 for   
   staff-sergeants and beyond.   
      
   A protracted investigation involving a core number of police officers is bound   
   to lead to an enormous bill, said Rob Gordon, a criminologist at Simon Fraser   
   University in Burnaby, B.C.   
      
   "Here, the concern very much is that all of this money may have been wasted   
   because police may have overstepped an ethical mark ... about encouraging   
   people to do things," Gordon said, referring to the question of whether the   
   couple were entrapped.   
      
   "If they're encouraging them, what was the purpose?  The answer to that is,   
   well, to get a conviction: to show that they're doing something about   
   terrorism issues.   
      
   "That's a cynical view," he added.   
      
   There are more undercover operations happening today than 10 years ago, Gordon   
   noted, adding that the government is coming under pressure to be proactive   
   about terrorism and that pressure is being passed on to police agencies.   
      
   A 2014 report from Human Rights Watch focusing on the United States and titled   
   "Illusion of Justice" highlighted the risk of terrorism stings to vulnerable   
   people and to those seeking spiritual guidance.   
      
   Nuttall and Korody's lawyers have raised both of these concerns in defence of   
   their clients.   
      
   The RCMP declined comment on its anti-terrorism operations. Spokeswoman Julie   
   Gagnon said in an email the Mounties were "not in a position to offer any   
   information" when asked about the frequency, cost and effectiveness of these   
   operations in Canada.   
      
   Prof. Craig Forcese, who teaches law at the University of Ottawa, said in an   
   email that while the use of stings is likely on an upswing in Canada, the   
   infrequency of prosecutions makes it difficult to analyze trends.   
      
   In an excerpt from his book "False Security," co-authored with the University   
   of Toronto's Kent Roach, Forcese warns about the danger of spending finite   
   law-enforcement resources on nabbing the people most vulnerable to stings.   
      
   "Those persons will not always be the most intelligent, most determined and   
   most dangerous potential terrorists," he wrote.       ((+_+))             
      
   "Put another way: directing scarce resources at low-hanging fruit may mean   
   fewer resources are available for more complicated, and potentially more   
   important, anti-terror investigations."   
      
   Money invested in elaborate undercover operations can come at the expense of   
   basic policing services, said ex-Mountie Rob Creasser, head of the Mounted   
   Police Professional Association of Canada.   
      
   Creasser described the RCMP's ongoing resource-shifting exercise as a "shell   
   game."   
      
   "We're robbing Peter to pay Paul," he said.  "It's like, which hole in the   
   dike is bigger right now and we'd better plug it and hope the other ones don't   
   get too big at the same time.   
      
   "Justice does have a cost."   
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   Bumbling idiots or jihadi warriors?   
      
   http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2015/04/terror_charges_3718   
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   http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/john-nuttall-amanda-kor   
   dy-trial-733695   
      
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