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   From: sharx35@hotmail.com   
      
   "Alan Baker"  wrote in message   
   news:lcu839$38p$1@news.datemas.de...   
   > On 2014-02-05 20:35:02 +0000, Sharxster said:   
   >   
   >> "Alan Baker"  wrote in message   
   >> news:lcts46$e8u$1@news.datemas.de...   
   >>> On 2014-02-05 14:26:50 +0000, John Fleming said:   
   >>>   
   >>>> [Default] On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:04:23 -0800, while chained to   
   >>>> a desk   
   >>>> in the scriptorium Alan Baker  wrote:   
   >>>>> $On 2014-02-05 04:01:58 +0000, Sharxster said:   
   >>>>> $> "John Fleming"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> $> news:2k23f9ltfqvortc1fde2euo8ecs0p051n1@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> $>> [Default] On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:51:12 -0800, while   
   >>>>> chained to a desk   
   >>>>> $>> in the scriptorium Con??Con?  wrote:   
   >>>>> $>>> $On 2/4/2014 11:39 AM, Alan Baker wrote:   
   >>>>> $>>> $> If I owned 1000 vehicles, how would that negatively   
   >>>>> impact the   
   >>>>> $>>> $> environment, Karen? I can only drive one at a time?   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> As it happens, I have three vehicles:   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> my daily driver (a Miata that gets about 30mpg)   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> a Dodge Ram pickup truck that I use very occasionally   
   >>>>> to tow...   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> ...my race car, a 1989 Van Diemen with a 1.6 litre   
   >>>>> engine.   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> But I'm only ever driving one of them at any one   
   >>>>> time.   
   >>>>> $>>> $>   
   >>>>> $>>> $> :-)   
   >>>>> $>>> $   
   >>>>> $>>> $I'd say that you're filling up three vehicles instead   
   >>>>> of just one.  Do   
   >>>>> $>>> $you consider that more than if you had only one vehicle   
   >>>>> that ran on   
   >>>>> $>>> $something other than an oil derivative fuel?   
   >>>>> $>>> $   
   >>>>> $>>> $If you had a big home with a huge yard and lawn, and   
   >>>>> your neighbour had   
   >>>>> $>>> $a small home with a small lawn or no lawn, and you both   
   >>>>> watered your   
   >>>>> $>>> $lawns in summer - which of you would be using the   
   >>>>> greatest amount of a   
   >>>>> $>>> $natural resource?   
   >>>>> $>>> $   
   >>>>> $>>> $Your "three vehicles" are the big home, ya stupid   
   >>>>> person.   
   >>>>> $>>   
   >>>>> $>> Actually, he\s only driving one at at time, so the   
   >>>>> comparison with   
   >>>>> $>> heating a big home is like comparing apples to oranges.   
   >>>>> $>>   
   >>>>> $>> With the big home, you have to heat the whole house--even   
   >>>>> if you are   
   >>>>> $>> only using one room at a time.  With three vehicles, you   
   >>>>> are only   
   >>>>> $>> operating one vehicle at a time.   
   >>>>> $>   
   >>>>> $> Not exactly. We don't heat our whole house--closing doors   
   >>>>> and  heat   
   >>>>> $> outlets in some rooms plus the entire basement.   
   >>>>> $> Obviously there is still some heat leakage to the cold   
   >>>>> rooms, though.   
   >>>>> $   
   >>>>> $You might not heat your whole house... ...but I would bet   
   >>>>> that almost   
   >>>>> $everyone else in North America does.   
   >>>>> $   
   >>>>> $Who wants to walk into a room and wait for it to heat up?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You're right.  Most people would use most of the rooms in   
   >>>> their house   
   >>>> at least some of the time.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Like Sharx, I have one room on the main floor I don't use   
   >>>> much, and so   
   >>>> I keep the door closed and the heating vent shut.  In a pinch,   
   >>>> I could   
   >>>> do the same with a second room.  But unless I want to sleep on   
   >>>> the   
   >>>> sofa, there is a limit to the number of doors I can shut.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The basement is a different matter entirely   
   >>>   
   >>> I think that even there, more and more people are making   
   >>> basements into living spaces. I know that the house I'm helping   
   >>> my GF get built is going to have a fully finished basement.   
   >>   
   >> Well, if we fully developed our basement, that would give us   
   >> 2800 sq. ft. of living space that would have   
   >> to be maintained and regularly cleaned. Do the TWO of us really   
   >> NEED that much space to knock around in?   
   >> I think not.  I can see the day when a strata, one level type,   
   >> residence of, say, 1000 square feet with NO basement, would   
   >> be more than adequate. The association would take care of most   
   >> outside expenses, e.g. snow clearing, yard work, roof   
   >> replacement, outside painting...  I HATE snow shovelling...with   
   >> a passion....ditto for lawn cutting.   
   >   
   > I agree... ...but I think you'll find that many people are making   
   > their money go farther by buying houses where the basement is a   
   > part of the living space (or can be made so) precisely because   
   > that means they can buy a nominally smaller dwelling for a   
   > smaller price.   
      
   Understood. However, as I get older, the idea of having to   
   regularly climb up and down staircases is not appealing.   
      
      
      
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