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   XPost: alt.consciousness.mysticism   
   From: nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au   
      
   "Dore"  wrote in message   
   news:fegQc.4123$rM6.3028@trndny03...   
   >   
   > No, confessing a belief in the One and ONLY God, that the Bible speaks of,   
   > is merely the FIRST step. After having this faith and trust, the believer   
   > begins to OBEY the commands, demands and requirements of God to discipline   
   > himself to His ways, truths, and will then LIVES accordingly will NOT   
   commit   
   > any sin or nasty behavior because of His respect, love and desire for God.   
   I   
   > am asserting that the Bible contains the truths, ways, will, power,   
   > abilities, Spirit, righteousness, moral relevance, and guidance to walk in   
   > ethical and moral ways.   
      
   What percentage of the bible would you say is truth?   
   Obviously the bible would contain many distortions and even lies after being   
   passed through so many hands for so many years.   
      
   >   
   > What evil people have done heinously,  in the name of the Bible,   
   perverting   
   > it, disobeying it,   
      
   In the case of the crusades etc they were actually obeying it, not   
   disobeying it.   
      
   > profaning it in HYPOCRISY, for their own intentions,   
      
   It is only Christians who have been using the bible that way because they're   
   the only ones who bother with it in the first place.   
      
   > gains and desires is NOT the Bible or God's fault. The Catholic church ,   
   > which implemented the Crusades, have  NEVER have obeyed, taught, lived or   
   > was true to the teachings of the Bible, ever. If you read the Bible and   
   > compare it to the teachings contained therein, you would see that the   
   > Catholic Church does NOT abide in it's truths.   
      
   Where else would they have gotten their ideas for the crusades?   
      
   > As for witch hunts, if you have ever been a victim of the evil powers of   
   > witchcraft, you would be one of the first to want them dead. The problem   
   > with the Salem witch trials, is that they didn't know how to determine the   
   > true witches from the innocent, and thus in their ignorance, innocent   
   people   
   > died.   
      
   The authorities of the time didn't encounter ANY witches to begin with   
   because if they had then the witches would have used their powers to escape   
   but none of them did.   
      
   > However, what the TRUE witches did, IS horrible, evil, hateful,   
   > murderous, problematic and destructive and like I said, if you were ever   
   one   
   > of their victims, you would also be screaming for justice.   
      
   Indeed. And the Hansel and Gretel witch was the worst.   
   So were the ones in the Wizard of Oz.   
   Good thing we don't have those kinds of witches any more.   
      
   > Do you think that only what you perceive in reality of your   
   > own life's experiences are all that is possible? If so, then you live a   
   very   
   > limited and narrow life, missing the wonderful possibilities that God can   
   > provide for your life.   
      
   What wonderful possibilities?   
   Every fun thing we try to do is a sin.   
      
   >   
   > If you can CREATE anything, much less the UNIVERSE for which God   
   > created, then what makes YOU think that you can defy, ignore, refuse,   
   > disobey and rebel against Him, when it is clear that you have NO   
   authority,   
   > power, knowledge, intellect, wisdom or truths to make Him your enemy.   
      
   We don't have to do anything to make God our enemy other than be born.   
      
   > The   
   > fact that HE is more powerful, greater, higher and YOUR CREATOR, should at   
   > least provide you with the reason and common sense to seek HIM and HIS   
   > truths, before you go off thinking you can live the life that HE gave you   
   > without Him and treat Him with such disrespect, arrogance, contempt,   
   > rebellion and disobedience.   
      
   If he wants all those things then he'll have to show himself.   
   You can't be too careful these days. There's a lot of bad types out there   
   wanting our worship.   
      
   >   
   > EVIL gets exactly what EVIL DESERVES, it is called JUSTICE. No different   
   > than if someone raped and murdered your wife or child, burned down your   
   > house, killed your dog, stole all of your possessions, and treated you   
   like   
   > garbage.   
      
   Do you think there are any evil ones like that in this newsgroup?   
      
   > Funny, how you would demand justice for anyone sinning against you,   
   > but when God does it, you think it is a good time and fun. HYPOCRITE!   
      
   We wouldn't care so much if it was only the truly evil ones that God was   
   targeting but like the US Govt. with the war on Iraq, the God of the bible   
   is targeting the entire planet for some strange reason.   
      
      
   --   
   Andrew W.   
      
   The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure   
   uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities,   
   that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes   
   the sense that there is an outside. ~ Allan Bloom. The Closing of the   
   American Mind   
      
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