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   From: nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au   
      
   "Dore"  wrote in message   
   news:yYCPc.501$qM.493@trndny01...   
   > Andrew W (Agnostic Mystic)"  wrote in   
   > message news:410c6c58$0$10612$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...   
   >   
   > > Wrong. It's simply evil because we are defenceless, non-omniscient,   
   > > imperfect creatures.   
   > > Your past claims that we are tormenting God with our sins is your own   
   > > fiction.   
   > > No religion has never taught that. You just made it up to justify your   
   > god's   
   > > final killing spree.   
   >   
   >   
   > Oh you poor pathetic creature, somehow you absolve yourself from your own   
   > choices and responsibility and pretend that you are forced to commit evil   
   > and sin, and have NO choice in the matter. Oh, it's everyone else's fault,   
   > especially God's,   
      
   I never said that anything was God's fault, except maybe figuratively for   
   the purpose of illustrating an argument.   
   It is the early Christian/Judean/Islamic church's faults for inventing a   
   jealous and vengeful god in the first place.   
      
   > because you have NO self-control and discipline to make   
   > right choices in your life?   
      
   What are the right choices for every person in the world?   
   Can a single Jewish book dictate everyone's perfect choice even though   
   everyone is different and is constantly changing?   
      
   > You are so defenseless, that when temptation   
   > arises, to lie, steal, cheat, be greedy, kill, murder, be selfish and   
   > self-serving, materialistic, rape, fornicate, molest children, deceptive,   
   > violent, take God's name in vain, idolize the famous and powerful, NOT   
   read   
   > the Bible and consider it,   
      
   Eek! That last one is by far the most evil act anyone can imagine!   
   Lol.   
      
   > dishonor your parents and older citizens, profane   
   > the Sabbath, commit adultery, covet, and do all matters of evil and sin,   
   > etc.   
      
   Was that your long list or your short one?   
      
   BTW, if God hates all these things about humans then why in heavens name did   
   he create humans?   
   Does he enjoy having himself tormented by fallible little creatures?   
   And don't give me that usual lame "free choice" spiel again.   
      
   > you have NO choice but to indulge because you pretend that you can be   
   > nothing but imperfect.   
      
   Are you saying that a human can be perfect?   
      
   > You who KNOW NOTHING about God and the affects of   
   > evil upon Him,   
      
   That's right, and no one else knows how he feels either.   
   If only we knew what affects God then we'd have at least some hope of   
   changing our behaviour.   
      
   > think that your excuses fly and your pretense of   
   > powerlessness and lack of choice is sufficient to place all of the blame   
   on   
   > God, because you are NOT man enough to take responsibility for your own   
   > choices and actions?   
      
   I do take responsibility for my own actions. You never hear me calling out   
   for an invisible hero to come and save me from myself.   
      
      
      
   --   
   Andrew W.   
      
   The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure   
   uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities,   
   that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes   
   the sense that there is an outside. ~ Allan Bloom. The Closing of the   
   American Mind.   
      
   Religion Exposed!   
   http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)