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   Tony to Some Guy   
   Re: Changes to Rogers TV analog cable ch   
   28 Apr 12 16:02:44   
   
   From: Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich   
      
   The difference is with analogue cable you can use virtually any 30 decibel   
   gain booster whereas with digital you need at least a couple of low noise   
   boosters or you'll lose many channels due to noise in the signal.   
      
   Some Guy wrote:   
      
   > Just got this in the mail today.  I'm subscribed to a Rogers analog   
   > cable service (have been for more than 10 years) so it's understandable   
   > why I'm getting this letter.  I don't know if anyone else that could   
   > technically be a "digital" cable subscriber is getting these letters...   
   >   
   > On the front-side of the letter, it seems to indicate that some or many   
   > channels are being removed from analog service, and that I'm going to   
   > need a free digital box (digital adapter) to view them.  A date of May   
   > 31 is given for this change.   
   >   
   > On the back side, the reality is somewhat different.  It seems that 6   
   > channels are going to be moved (but remain analog) and 3 are going to be   
   > removed from the CCTV channel lineup and go completely digital.  Here's   
   > the change:   
   >   
   > Channel        Current  New   
   >   
   > W Network         60    70   
   > Shopping channel  18    95   
   > Vision TV         27    96   
   > Treehouse         63    18   
   > APTN              70    129   
   > TVA               95    130   
   > RDI               96    (ATSC only)   
   > Ontario Legis.   129    (ATSC only)   
   > TV5              130    (ATSC only)   
   >   
   > So, does anyone (or can anyone) speculate why they're playing this shell   
   > game?   
   >   
   > We have APTN(70) being moved to 129, and W Network(60) being moved to   
   > the channel that APTN used (70).  The channel that was on 129 (Ontario   
   > legislature) being moved to digital.   
   >   
   > We have Treehouse(63) being moved to the channel currently being used by   
   > Shopping channel (18), and Shopping being moved to the channel currently   
   > being used by TVA (95), and TVA being moved up to 130, and 130 (TV5)   
   > being moved to digital.   
   >   
   > We have Vision TV (27) being moved to the channel currently used by RDI   
   > (96) and RDI being kicked into digital.   
   >   
   > So we have channel 60 and 63 being free'd up, and for the past year or   
   > two channels 59, 61 and 62 have been empty as well (one or two of those   
   > were US network affiliates in Cleveland if I remember correctly).  That   
   > would create a block of empty channels from 59 through 63.   
   >   
   > There is currently nothing in analog format on channels 64 through 69   
   > and 71 through 80 - and I suspect that there is something on each of   
   > those channels being broadcast in scrambled ATSC format.  On channels 81   
   > through 84 there are On-demand and Pay-per-view channels that are   
   > broadcast in ATSC but they are not scrambled - I've been viewing those   
   > for maybe a year now directly on my flatscreen TV.   
   >   
   > It looks like channel 27 is going to be empty.   
   >   
   > Is there a legal case to be made that the removal of the Ontario   
   > Legislature from analog cable is a violation of CRTC accessibility rules   
   > or standards?   
   >   
   > I see this as a test for Rogers to see how many people that currently do   
   > not have a digital tuner box will put in a request for the no-frills   
   > Cisco digital box given the changes being planned.  They've clearly   
   > identified the least-watched channels to eliminate from analog service,   
   > seemingly with the intent to float this trial balloon to gage the   
   > reaction.   
   >   
   > The letter goes on to say:   
   >   
   >   "Soon more analog channels will no longer be available for   
   >    viewing without a digital adapter (we'll keep you informed)"   
   >   
   > Has Rogers done this (removed POPULAR channels from the analog domain)   
   > in any other city yet?   
   >   
   > I know that Cogeco in Windsor has been removing channels from the analog   
   > domain for the past few months.  There isin't much available above   
   > channel 27 in analog format at this point).   
   >   
   > Comments?   
      
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