From: Some@Guy.com   
      
   JF Mezei wrote:   
      
   > Unless I get the list of IP addresses and the other data collected   
   > by Canipre, there is no way to make an educated opinion on the   
   > quality of the data.   
      
   The list of IP addresses they have (and why they can say with confidence   
   that any single one of them was infringing their copyrights) is one side   
   of the coin.   
      
   The other side is arguing that Tek Savvy's logging equipment, methods,   
   and software can (or can't) confidently be used to identify which   
   customer had a particular IP address at a particular date/time.   
      
   I'm more curious about that other side, and to what extent that either   
   Canipre or CIPPIC is fully aware of these details, or if TS would be   
   cooperative (or not) in providing those details to either party - or the   
   court.   
      
   Or do you think that an argument against disclosure would revolve around   
   arguments other than if IP-assignment logs can be trusted... ?   
      
   > in particular Canipre says it was able to extract only IPs of   
   > Ontario residents (which can't be done)   
      
   What is the difference between "extracting IP's" - vs observing (and   
   recording) the IP addresses of peers participating in a given torrent   
   over time?   
      
   My experience with what is knowable about those participating in a   
   torrent is limited to the list of peers and seeders that my torrent   
   client displays for any given torrent that I am downloading (which   
   frequently include IP's that geo-locate to a wide variety of   
   countries).  Would Canipre "see" different information when they are   
   doing their monitoring?   
      
   > Although nobody monitors this newsgroup, one also has to be careful   
   > about giving Voltage laywers a preview of the types of arguments   
   > CIPPIC might come up with.   
      
   Well, yes, but speaking as someone who is completely unfamiliar with   
   what sort of arguments have been put forward in previous situations in   
   court in the past, I wouldn't think that any new arguments or concepts   
   could really be brought forward in what today must be a "mature" field   
   of law...   
      
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