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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: New Smith BENO Quash with pre-em    |
|    08 Aug 15 14:14:54    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: Gary Pallister got Jon Nesbitt turned on to the new       Smith BENO Quash kits and he was the first to file in       Provincial Court after James Turner last Wednesday in       Superior. James is coming up Monday 10am in Ottawa. Cheryle       Hawkins came in support and told me later that the Crowns       knew who I was.              They must have enjoyed trashing my work as completely       improper but won't enjoy so much when I respond how it's       been accepted by a couple of dozen other courts as properly       done in the past. Last month in Newfoundland and last week       in Ottawa! Har har har. I'm actually quite an expert on       Quash Motions by now. So they got their insults in and I'll       mine in later.              The bad news is that the trial coordinator scheduled the       motion to a Provincial Court Judge in Assignment Court       before a J.P. and only in late afternoon, after all the       lawyers had gone first, did the Crown call Jon and mention       it had to be before another judge. And got him sent there.       But it let him call the motion an improperly and totally       unacceptable request.              I wonder if they wasted my day on purpose but the next       lawyer spoke from the same script.              It started with Jon explaining how the Hitzig Bad Exemption       meant No Offence for J.P., so why shouldn't Smith Worse Bad       Exemption not mean No Offence for him?              The judge being caught by surprise, had no clue what JP was       and asked the Crown, Johnston, who promptly misinformed him.       He told the judge it raised a constitutional Question, not       understanding Parker and Hitzig had done that for J.P. as       Parker and Smith have now done that for him. But right on       Page 1 of Notice, it says "This Non-Constitutional S.601       Motion to Quash is..." but I had dropped the quote of       Superior Court Justice Rogin explaining how no Charter issue       was being raised. Aarrggg. That let the Crown trick the       judge. I'm going to have to add the Rogin Quote back so now       more judges can erred on that one.              Now the judge shouldn't have been so easily tricked since       Jon had said that if JP could quash his charge without a       Charter Notice, why can't he. The judge asked what J.P.       meant and the Crown told him it had been dismissed by the       Court of Appeal. (Note the partial truth is used to mislead       the judge. Part of the J.P. decision had been rejected, WHY       it was a bad exemption, but not the part where J.P.'s charge       remained quashed because the Hitzig Bad Exemption replaced       the Bad Exemption J.P. been wrong about!) But Crown Johnston       only had to omit the part we are citing and stress the part       that was dismissed as if it applied to the whole appeal and       got to deke the young judge out of his shoes into making a       wrong decision. He told Jon to come back when he'd served       the Constitutional Question properly when there is none.              Johnston even said he didn't know what Section 601 was all       about before reassuring the judge it needed a constitutional       notice. And the Judge bought it rather than check. Put it       off to Oct 9 giving Jon until Sep 8 to file his notices with       the provincial Attorneys General. And like Voytek in       Newfoundland, Jon's going to refuse and flash the Rogin card       right in the Crown's face at the next hearing. Har har har       har har har.              So here is the new Notice of Motion with the Rogin and Trial       Judge and Parker-Hitzig v. Parker-Smith comparisons:              TAKE NOTICE THAT on _____________, 2015 a Non-Constitutional       Application pursuant to S.601 that raises no Constitutional       Question will be heard by any judge of the court before plea       and with leave of the judge after plea, that raises no       Constitutional Question.              In R. v. J.P. (2003), Justice Rogin noted that for that       S.601 Quash Motion:        "[5] The Crown appeals to this court from this ruling.        The Crown complains that notwithstanding that J.P.'s        original application was not a Canadian Charter of        Rights and Freedoms application... the factum        specifically states that J.P. did not challenge the        constitutionality of the regulations which Phillips J.        found not to contain an offence."              The Parker Charter Challenge ruled there was no prohibition       absent a viable medical exemption. The Hitzig Charter       Challenge ruled defects made the MMAR an unacceptably Bad       Exemption. The J.P. non-Charter S.601 Quash Challenge ruled       that the Hitzig Bad Exemption gave effect to the Parker       invalidation of the Offence: Bad Exemption No Offence. The       J.P       motion to quash was not a constitutional challenge all over       again and neither is the Motion of the Accused herein.              Any judge may amend a defective indictment under S.601,       whether it be a bad address (amended) or a bad charge       (quashed). 1. S.601 states:        "Amending defective indictment or count        (1) An objection to an indictment preferred under this        Part or to a count in an indictment, for a defect        apparent on its face, shall be taken by motion to quash        the indictment or count before the accused enters a        plea...        Question of law        (6) The question whether an order to amend an indictment        or a count thereof should be granted or refused is a        question of law.        Definition of "court"        (10) In this section, "court" means a court, judge,        justice or provincial court judge acting in summary        conviction proceedings or in proceedings on indictment.              S.601 says an objection to amend a defective indictment must       be made pre-plea to "a court" of first instance with power       to amend the defective indictment so later judges only deal       with valid counts. The indictment must be amended before       being sent to the Trial Court for plea and certainly before       any evidence presented at a Preliminary Inquiry. Specific       jurisdiction is only conferred upon one judge of the court       once the Accused has pleaded before him. Until then, any       other judge of the court may amend the indictment. Though it       would be procedurally convenient to have the Trial Judge       also rule on the S.601 amendments to the indictment, a Trial       Judge is not even appointed until the Preliminary Inquiry       judge has sent it further. The Criminal Code mandates       amending the indictment by "a court" of first instance       before any time is wasted on other procedures. It makes no       sense to wait for the Trial Judge to amend the defective       indictment only after a Preliminary Inquiry has wasted its       time on the defects in that indictment that are struck.              THE APPLICATION IS FOR AN ORDER that       A) absent a viable medical exemption, the prohibitions on       marijuana in the CDSA are of no force and effect; and       B) the Accused's CDSA charges relating to marijuana be       quashed as of no force and effect;              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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