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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Marie Eve Turmel's Smith BENO Qu    |
|    19 Dec 15 15:15:11    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: It was a weird hearing. Remember, an hour had been       slated for the hearing of the motion in Courtroom #12. But       it was switched over to general sessions in Courtroom #5       with a lot of Gatineau's lawyers present. But it meant the       promised hearing probably wasn't going to happen.              We had a history with Judge Anouk Desaulniers. She was the       Crown Attorney who had prosecuted Ray Turmel on his 2000       cultivation charge and every older lawyer in the room knew       me and Ray.              The judge noted that she recognized the man Marie Eve walked       into the room with as Ray Turmel asked if she knew him.       "Yes, he's my father." Ray said that it was nice that she       had been in the marijuana fight at the start and could now       be in it at the end. That got a chuckle.              She explained how she'd been the Crown Attorney for the       trial, then to the Court of Appeal, then to the Supreme       Court of Canada.              Before Marie Eve could get started reading in her motion,       the Crown jumped up and objected that it needed a Notice of       Constitutional Question to strike down an unconstitutional       law.              Marie Eve pointed out how she'd explained to the last judge       that the motion (1st paragraph) explains it isn't a       constitutional question. Judge Desaulniers disagreed and       said it couldn't be dealt without a Notice of Constitutional       Question.              Marie Eve asked if she'd read the motion (where it was       explained by Rogin that Parker and Hitzig did the       constitutional parts so that J.P. did not)? "No." said the       judge.              But despite having not read how Parker-Hitzig had done the       constitutional parts so J.P. didn't have to, and how Parker-       Smith have now done the constitutional parts so Marie Eve       doesn't to also, the judge asked what gave her the right to       make the motion, Marie Eve asked if she could check with her       advisor, me. Sure. I said: Smith is the new precedent. And       that's what she relayed.              Regardless, the judge was putting it off until the Notice       had had been served and filed. She got a good laugh at how       the well-known non-lawyer advisor had failed to handle such       a simple formality and that Marie Eve should find herself "a       pro" to do it right.              Doesn't this turn out funny for those who know it's not a       constitutional question to realize that none of the "pros"       in the room knew that either! Har har har har har har.              She slated 4 hours in July 22 2016 9:30 in Courtroom #6 and       when the Crown said it shouldn't need the 4 hours, the judge       told her to be be prepared for it to take longer than she       thinks. Another guffaw.              Then the judge wondered if she should recuse herself from       possibly hearing the motion "because I prosecuted your       father" if Marie Eve had any concerns. Marie Eve said she       had no concerns, only to get it dealt with in a fast an       efficient time frame.              But if the judge did have any such concerns, could she maybe       relay it for hearing Judge Chevalier since he was up on the       issues. That got another huge guffaw. The judge explained he       was now retired after giving a medical user a $1 fine for 30       plants. Not only that, but Le Droit reported that very day,       someone filed a complaint against Judge Chevalier's parting       shot at prohibition.              So, there is the option to serve a Notice of Constitutional       Question to all 14 provincial Attorneys-General informing       them we're not raising one but that Judge Desaulniers       insists we file one. So we are. And go back before July.              But on Dec 16 2015, we did have the 1st Smith BENO Quash       withdrawal of charges of S.4 Possession, S.5(2) Possession       for the Purpose of Trafficking and S.7 Production of 2,879       plants. I earlier reported 1,800 plants but the Crown       charges 2,879.              Think about that, the first withdrawal to avoid our Smith       BENO Quash motion is for 2,879 plants. Full details in       tomorrow's report.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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