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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Rene Ouellet Smith BENO Quash in    |
|    09 Feb 16 05:57:14    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: In "Another Quebec Smith BENO Quash in play" I       mentioned a Quebec farmer busted growing 250 plants who had       agreed to plead guilty facing a possible 8-month sentence.       His Jan 22 2015 sentencing had been transferred from Quebec       City to Montreal so he could be jailed there closer his       family but Ray Turmel and Maxime Gauthier visited with him       and his lawyer on the morning of the hearing. With the news       reports of the Crown give-ups for James Turner's 2,879 and       Ray's 500 plants, the lawyer agreed he had nothing to lose       by changing his plea and going back to Quebec City for trial       and motion to quash. He wouldn't make the motion but would       help in any way he could.              So the plea was changed, the lawyer withdrew, and the Crown       now knows they have a fight on their hand.              On Saturday morning, Quebec Crown Attorney Belanger called       his old lawyer and told him that a warrant had been issued       for Rene's arrest after he failed to show on Friday Feb 5       2016. But no date had been set in Montreal and he hadn't       been given any notice to be there! So how could the Crown       get a warrant without proof of service? It was a warning for       Rene had to be there Monday morning to prevent process on       the warrant. Good. So Ray and Rene drove to Montreal for the       hearing.              Before the hearing, they met with Belanger. He knew who Ray       was since he'd seen the Franc Tireur video from election       time. He cautioned Ray to warn the guy who wrote the kit       that I might end up being reported to the Quebec Law       Society. Ray blew that out of the water with a good laugh.       I've already been checked out by the Ontario and Quebec Law       Societies and there's nothing they can do as long as I don't       charge them as a lawyer.              He also tried to insinuate that Rene was linked to the       bikers. Ray laughed that if he was linked to the bikers,       he'd have known how to steal the Hydro and Rene was paying       for his Hydro! Har har har har har har. Bikers!              About any plea deal, Ray said that there was no chance       unless he could go to Disney World with his grand-kids. That       meant no criminal record.              Crown thinks this can be over in 9 months! Har har har har       har har, har har har har har har. Wait until the       Constitutional lands on his desk if he survives the Quash.              At the hearing before Judge Rena Emond, the Crown argued       that the motion was improper without being sworn but before       we could plead the Magic Words, offered to allow it to be       commissioned by the clerk right then and there. Nice.              He argued the Quash Motion had to be heard by the Trial       Judge but Madame Justice Emond ordered it be heard by an       English judge and put it off to be heard in Courtroom #2.15       Quebec City on Feb 19 9:30am with the Crown's motion to have       it put off to the Trial Judge argued then. Guess he missed       Page 11 in the Motion that said:              Any judge may amend a defective indictment under S.601,       whether it be a bad address (amended) or a bad charge       (quashed). 1. S.601 states:               "Amending defective indictment or count        (1) An objection to an indictment preferred under this        Part or to a count in an indictment, for a defect        apparent on its face, shall be taken by motion to quash        the indictment or count before the accused enters a plea.        Question of law        (6) The question whether an order to amend an indictment        or a count thereof should be granted or refused is a        question of law.        Definition of "court"        (10) In this section, "court" means a court, judge,        justice or provincial court judge acting in summary        conviction proceedings or in proceedings on indictment.              S.601 says an objection to amend a defective indictment must       be made pre-plea to "a court" of first instance with power       to amend the defective indictment so later judges only deal       with valid counts. The indictment must be amended before       being sent to the Trial Court for plea and certainly before       any evidence presented at a Preliminary Inquiry. Specific       jurisdiction is only conferred upon one judge of the court       once the Accused has pleaded before him. Until then, any       other judge of the court may amend the indictment. Though it       would be procedurally convenient to have the Trial Judge       also rule on the S.601 amendments to the indictment, a Trial       Judge is not even appointed until the Preliminary Inquiry       judge has sent it further. The Criminal Code mandates       amending the indictment by "a court" of first instance       before any time is wasted on other procedures. It makes no       sense to wait for the Trial Judge to amend the defective       indictment only after a Preliminary Inquiry has wasted its       time on the defects in that indictment that are struck.              JCT: So after the Crown tries to argue (without any       citations) that the only Trial Judge can hear the motion to       amend his address... kidding, same section, to quash his       charge. Then Rene points to Page 11 that names all the       different judges who can hear it with no mention of Trial       Judge.              Finally, he can mention Robert Neron and Chris Ens whose       Quash motions are on reserved decision in Ontario and Nova       Scotia by judges not seized of Trial jurisdiction by any       plea.              So that attempt to stall is a complete loser which means       that the sitting judge will end up seized of the motion. No       ducking it any more.              Won't it be fun to hear the Crown say he's not ready to       respond because he didn't expect to lose the move to the       Trial Judge. Har har har. Song and dance time.              Since Rene has nothing more to say, the judge will give the       Crown time to respond like Robert Neron's Justice Riopelle       did and then decide. Still, reserved decisions in 3       provinces should cut down on any laughter. What if one       contradicts the others?              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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