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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Judge Haggerty reserves on Krzyz    |
|    26 Feb 16 20:32:05    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              TURMEL: Judge Haggerty reserves on Krzyz' Allard-Smith BENO Quash              JCT: Today I was in Jasper Alberta with Voytek Krzyz for his       Smith BENO Quash but we added the Allard decision to the       mix. It went as expected from a good judge. Judge Haggerty       was an older guy, nearing his 60s, so he might be ready to       end his career with a bang. Regardless, he ran a smooth       hearing with a Polish immigrant self-defender. Kathryn       Laurie for the Crown.              I almost made a tremendous error. Voytek told me that he had       been pulled over for tail-gating a truck in the middle of       the night on an empty highway. How the cop could judge       whatever distance it was I'd like to know. Plus, he also       said that the passenger seat was reclined too far back!!       Didn't know there was a law about a passenger not allowed to       recline, did you? Maybe he was bluffing because after       finding the pot, he didn't lay any of his original search       charges. Guess he should have or maybe they weren't true and       he thinks he doesn't need them any more. Bet not.              So I was going to try to intimidate the Crown and get her to       withdraw his charges. Not only could she avoid being       embarrassed at having raised the Constitutional Notice and       Trial Judge objections when they had been pre-argued in the       motion but now she could pin the blame for withdrawal not on       her avoiding an embarrassment but on the cop who screwed up       the search.              Then it dawned on me that could always still be used later       and after Crown's recent delaying, stalling, and withdrawing       charges to avoid letting Smith BENO be heard, I had to be       try to intimidate here into ducking. So I told Voytek not to       say a word about anything, not to let her know we were       submitting Allard, we'd spring it on her right in court so       she couldn't duck out.              A reporter from the Jasper Fitzhugh showed up, said he'd       heard about an important case on the net. Stayed for the       whole thing so watch that paper.              So when the judge asked Voytek to speak, he simply said he       had an additional submission dealing with the new ruling of       two days ago striking down the Bad Exemption completely. No       problem, the judge accepted it right away. Then he said he       had a few questions and Voytek said he doubted he'd be able       to help much but that his legal advisor was here, me, who       could explain best.              Judge Haggerty said that he knew many judges who would never       allow anyone else but the Accused to speak but since this       Quash was a rare and interesting motion, he was most       interested in getting as much info on it as he could and       okayed my speaking for Voytek.              I basically relayed the info linking Parker-Hitzig-J.P. and       how we'd started with the new Parker-Smith-Krzyz move but       were now adding the Parker-Allard-Krzyz to the mix. The       great difference was that the Crown kept arguing that the       Supreme Court in Smith only struck down one section, not       the whole thing. Even though that doesn't matter, the Hitzig       declaration only struck down a few flaws but the fact all       the wheels on the machine were flat meant it didn't work no       matter how many other sections of the car were left as is.       Get it?              But Allard is an improvement on that. The Crown can no       longer argue that they left the remainder intact, as if it       mattered, but the Allard decision left nothing standing. It       took about 10 minutes to make the case. The judge had no       more questions.              The Crown then responded that it took a constitutional notice       and had to be heard by the Trial judge. The same two points       I'd already knocked down, she had to repeat, because she had       nothing to say on the merits of the argument!!!              I could have made fun of her that it was rebutted in       Paragraph 1 of the motion (even rolled my eyes) but I just       pointed out that Justice Riopelle in Timmins and Judge Tax       in Halifax didn't need a constitutional notice.              And as for the Trial judge needing to hear the application,       I pointed out the section listed all the different courts       with jurisdiction to amend an indictment: "If you can amend       a typo, you can amend a defective indictment too, same       section."              That's when Judge Haggerty stated at least twice: "Yes, I       have the power." So, now everyone can quote Judge Haggerty       who said he had the power and point out that Riopelle and       Tax aren't trial judges either.              Anyway, Judge Haggerty was so interested that he took a few       moments to explain where the right to move to quash an       indictment came from. Back around Magna Carta days with King       Henry II, the courts run by the Barons were abolished and       replaced with travelling courts to now hear cases throughout       the land. And they needed a code for everyone and that's       where the original cherished right to challenge your       indictment came from. That was a neat lesson. Can't hurt for       the judge to consider this a fun case too. It was actually       one of the most pleasant hearings I've ever attended. What a       charmer, he put Voytek and his wife completely at ease.              He said it was obvious he was going to have to take some       time to write up the decision and would reserve 8 weeks to       April 28 for the decision. He offered to let Duty Counsel be       present to accept the decision and pass it on to Voytek but       Voytek said he'd like to come. I won't.              The Crown sort of apologized to the judge for having him       called in for a special hearing where they opened the court       on a day it's usually closed. She had expected it take hours       of argument and was stunned that it was over in under half       an hour.              Anyway, she must have been happy I wasn't brutal but she was       rather nice and came by to shake my hand when it was over. I       told her she could always hope it wins in another province       first.              So BENO Quash reserved decisions in Ontario, Nova Scotia and       hopefully a fourth province of Quebec on Mar 7 next week       with Ray Turmel and a fifth province Saskatchewan on April 1       with Curtis Sears.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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