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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Court denies Beke-Turmel late co    |
|    11 Apr 16 05:47:29    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: April 5 2016 Osgoode Hall Ontario Court of Appeal       Madame Justices Feldman, Simmons and Popall presiding:              Back last year, 13 Applicants had sought extension of       time to file appeals against our convictions because of the       Smith decision invalidating the MMAR exemption necessary to       uphold a valid prohibition. After Justice Doherty dismissed       our applications, I and Bela Beke filed appeals against that       decision to a 3-judge panel.              I know I found the rule or section that gave me x days to       appeal a 1-judge decision to a 3-judge panel but darned, I       can't find it anymore and the judges didn't know if they had       jurisdiction.              I was slated for hearing on Tuesday April 5 in Toronto and       Bela was slated for hearing on Wednesday April 6 in       Kingston. Despite a letter from the Registry changing a       previous date to April 5 in order to have both my and Bela's       cases heard by the same panel. So I was surprised when Bela       called to say he was booked the next day in Kingston. Find       out why later.              At my hearing, they were all the same objections:       1) Sarson says later-struck-law no matter, for murder.       2) I had already had an appeal to the top, can't have 2;       3) Even if S.4(1) Possession and S.7(1) Production had been       struck down by Parker and Krieger, I was charged with S.5(2)       Possession for the Purpose of Trafficking that had never       been struck down;       4) I was out of the system now.              1) The Sarson case ruled that a guy convicted for murder       under a statute that was later declared invalid was still       guilty and could not appeal because there were other       sections that could have been prosecuted. Of course, if       prohibition is declared invalid, there are no other sections       that could apply but these are lawyers and judges, no logic       from study of Boolean Algebra, think they'd notice the       difference? Har har har har har har. Because they could have       still gotten him for manslaughter, you can't appeal because       we could have gotten you for.... who cares.              2) Sure, I've tried to erase my conviction on other grounds       to the top. Now that new grounds arise, "it's not fair" that       I have to keep a bogus criminal record.              3) Sure, I want to argue that the Smith Bad Exemption also       strikes down the S.5(2) P4P if Hitzig was only good enough       to strike down Possession and Production and not P4P.              4) Sure, I might have been out of their system but they       could only say "tough," court errors don't get corrected."       Well, even if they can't get corrected, they can get       embarrassed by us asking to correct their errors and make       them explain how court errors can't get corrected. Even       though not guilty, you have a record. Court errors can't be       corrected.              Here's is my endorsement:        H.M.Q. v. Turmel, John M45751 (m45479) Federal        "Mr. Turmel moves to set aside the order of Doherty J.A.        declining to permit Mr. Turmel to launch a fresh appeal        of a prior conviction for possession of marijuana for        the purpose of trafficking.        This Court dismissed Mr. Turmel's prior appeal in 2007        and leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada was        denied.        We are not persuaded that we have any jurisdiction to        entertain Mr. Turmel's motion. In any event, we see no        error in Doherty J.A.'s reasons.        The motion is dismissed.        Simmons J.A.              But what are they going to do with Bela tomorrow in Kingston       who is still in the court system until his fine is paid off.              4) Bela is still in the system.              3) Bela was convicted of S.4(1) Possession that was struck       down in Parker when there's an Absent Exemption.              2) Bela never appealed before, it's his first.              1) Unlike Sarson, there is no other law making his act a       crime he could have been convicted of.              So what do you think the Court did the next day?              First of all, when we got there, the docket said that Madame       Justices Feldman, Simmons and Popall presiding. So that's       why they moved my date to April 5, so it could be heard by       the same panel but not at the same day. As if splitting us       was going to make it easier. It could only make it harder.              But if I got to speak, I'd get shot down summarily (without       explanation), they know I'm tough and forget it's the       accused taking the beating. So as I've sometimes done in the       past when called for, I told Bela he'd have a better chance       going in alone. As an ordinary self-defender, they couldn't       lay any kind of imperiousness on him. Bela's got brains and       balls, saw right away me not being there put him in a better       position and went in alone. I went and slept in the car.              The only thing that comes close was Doug Nielsen going right       back into a second court after being laughed out of the       first court and getting it heard! Can't help but admire       self-confidence like that.              Seems the Crown hadn't prepared a response and it got put       off while they went and dug up his relevant information.              They again wondered if they had jurisdiction to hear an       appeal to set aside Justice Doherty's ruling. Darned, I       should have looked it up when I couldn't come up with it the       previous day.              1) Bela doesn't remember them spending any time on Sarson,       it was raised but they moved on without Bela having to point       out there's no other charge he could have faced.              2) No problem about Bela having appealed before.              3) No question Bela's S.4(1) Possession is affected by       Absent Exemption even if S.5(2) P4P wasn't for me.              4) No question he's still in the system when you consider       all those other inmates in court that day.              So what pretext did the Court come up with to deny that       Smith was a Bad Exemption to cause No Offence?              Bela wasn't medically needy! Smith only applied to people       with Authorizations to Possess to use derivatives, not       everyone. The Bad Exemption did not apply to the non-sick.              Bela pointed out that the Bad Exemption in Hitzig, grower       limits, also didn't apply to non-sick but the Ontario Court       of Appeal quashed his charge because       of the Bad Exemption that did not apply to J.P.! Har har har       har har har. And Justice Simmons was on that panel!              Think about that. Justice Simmons in 2003 ruled that a Bad       Exemption meant No Offence for J.P. without him needing to       show medical need but now she rules that a Bad Exemption no       longer invalidates the law for Bela without him having to       show medical need. What a beautiful contradiction to take to       the Supreme Court, especially from the very same judge!              Don't forget, she was on the Parker-Hitzig-J.P. panel who       told Canada that they had resurrected the prohibition when       their Hitzig decision had repaired the MMAR. 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