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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Crown Factum for May 10 $250 Ele    |
|    05 May 16 19:16:07    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              TURMEL: Crown Factum for May 10 $250 Elections Expenses Cap              JCT: I'm suing the Chief Election Officer to strike down the       $250 cap on auditor's fees for null returns like mine. When       the auditor charged $750 and I have to pay the excess about       a form with zero numbers they force me to file with an       auditor's report. 40 years ago, sure, $250 could pay for       several hours of accountant time but no longer.               File No: T-561-15        FEDERAL COURT OF CANADA       Between:        JOHN TURMEL        Plaintiff        AND        HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN        Defendant               CANADA'S FACTUM        STATEMENT OF DEFENCE              CR: 1... John Turmel alleges that the minimum that the       subsidy provides is "unconscionably miserly" and breaches       his rights under the Charter S. 3 to fun as a candidate in       federal elections.              2... the electoral financing regime gives them access to       different tools of public support to help subsidize their       campaigns. A linchpin of this regime is the requirement to       have an auditor...              JCT: Guess how! Just raise funds! And I'd need even more       fundraising just for increase cost of more for accounting       for contributions.              CR: 3... Requirement for auditor helps to meet the important       public policy purposes of helping candidates finance their       engagement              JCT: Forcing me to pay for an auditor for a null return       helps me finance me.              CR: 4. Issue is subsidy, minimum $250 up to 3%.              JCT: We're not discussing where it's a $250 minimum, we're       discussing where it's a $250 maximum.              CR: The regime provides candidates with access to other       measures to help pay for any potential difference, as long       as the candidate participates.. by raising and spending       money.              5. John Turmel has a history of running and not raising and       spending money. His auditor receives $250 for his null       return. Mr. Turmel has failed to meet the burden of proof       that lies on him to demonstrate how this minimum subsidy       breaches his right to run in a federal election. Regardless,       the provision is justifiable under S.1. It helps to serve a       pressing and substantial objective and is proportional in       light of the other tools to pay for any outstanding amounts       as long as the candidate engages in raising and spending       funds.              JCT: Raising money solely to pay for my auditor?              CR: B. JOHN TURMEL'S ADJUDICATIVE FACTS              6. John Turmel brought an action seeking a declaration that       S.477.75(b) of the Canada Elections Act (CEA) is of no force       and effect.              JCT: Now we've seen that government lawyers usually       misrepresent what's going on. Exaggerate the claim and then       attack the exaggeration. Here's what I actually claimed:        A) a Declaration pursuant to s.52 (1) of the Canadian        Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Charter) that the 35-        year-old reimbursement cap of $250 set in S.477.75 of        the Canada Elections Act unconstitutionally limits the        right to participate in the electoral process;              JCT: So I didn't bring an action that S.477.75(b) is       invalid, I asked that "the 35-year-old reimbursement cap of       $250 set in S.477.75" is invalid. Guess they're hoping the       judge won't notice it's not what I asked for.              CR: 8. Mr. Turmel ran in Toronto-Centre and his auditor       charged him $678 for auditing a nil campaign.              JCT: Around the same they're paid for nil return in Ontario       elections.              CR: The auditor received the minimum amount of subsidy and       Mr. Turmel was responsible for paying the remaining $428.       Mr. Turmel stated he was able to and would pay this       remaining amount.              JCT: I actually said:        1. As a pauper who receives no income that I don't have        to beg, borrow or win at the poker tables, contesting        elections without contributions has always been possible        as long as there were no other expenses. While any        auditor expenses were covered, there were no obstacles.        2. Upon the retirement of my 35-year auditor whose        familiarity with filing elections return made the $250        acceptable over the years, I chose a Brantford        accounting firm that did my Ontario provincial returns        and was then stunned by the overage in the auditor's        bill which happened to be commensurate with what they        charged the Ontario Government for auditing my nil        returns. Though full of zeroes, there are several forms        that are transacted.        3. The cap established in 1974 is an obstacle to my        exercising my political rights.              JCT: And the Crown got that I said I was able and would pay.       1. As a pauper who receives no income and I'm able to pay?       It's because I'm pauper that I'm in court and they conclude       I offered to pay? I don't want to stiff my auditor.              CR: C. DESCRIPTION OF SUBSIDY - HOW IT WORKS.              9.-14.              D. ELECTORAL FINANCING REGIME IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS              15.-18.              19. The current electoral financing regime is multifaceted       public measures of financial support accessible to       candidates, apart from the subsidy, include:       (a) the political contribution tax credit to encourage       supporters to make contributions..       (b) return of full amount of $1,000 deposit.              JCT: I should use my money I deposited to get into the game       to pay my auditor once they send it back?              CR: (c) reimbursement of 60% of elections expenses with 10%       of the vote.              JCT: And if I have no expenses? But for the auditor?              CR: E. LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF THE AUDITOR'S SUBSIDY       1) The Amount of the Auditor's Subsidy              20.-24. How it changed over the years.              2) Consideration by Chief Elections Officer and House of       Commons Standing Committee              25. CEO recommends amendments              26. the CEO has considered the auditor's subsidy in his       reports on four different occasions:       (a) 1996 CEO suggested imposing additional audit       requirements and a corresponding review of the subsidy...       (b) 2001 CEO suggested the subsidy should be based on the       total expenses the auditor has to review.              JCT: In my case, zero expenses.              CR: (c) 2005 suggested revisions to correct ambiguities.              JCT: So what revisions and what ambiguities that relate?              CR: (d) 2010 CEO suggested that those candidates who do not       conduct financial transactions should not be required to       prepare an auditor's report..              JCT: That's the way it used to work in Ontario, you swore a       Declaration of No Contributions or Expenses. But they have       since made the requirement zero campaigns have auditors the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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