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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Rene Ouellet's Judge Morand hear    |
|    13 Aug 16 08:30:11    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: On July 29, Rene Ouellet's Quash Motion was the to be       heard.              In previous hearings, the Crown had argued that the Quash       Motion had constitutional issues that needed to be heard by       the Trial Judge.              Despite the Notice of Motion including Judge Rogin explaining       how Parker and Hitzig had done the constitutional issues and       J.P. only wanted the benefits, the judges hadn't read the       motion, just got it dropped on their desks and bought the       Crown's jive.              So when Rene refused to elect, he was automatically sent to       Superior Court for jury trial for cultivation of 89 plants.       When he presented his Quash Motion at Superior Court, the       judge told him that was something they should have handled       below and sent it back. Of course, it could be handled in       Superior Court by the Trial Judge. Neron's Superior Court       judge heard the Quash Motion. But this guy wasn't the trial       judge and knew it had to be heard before it got to the Trial       Judge. So he sent it back below. And now his file lands on the       desk Judge Alain Morand.              Despite the fact the motion was in English, the hearing was       spoken in French. So I'm going to translate the important       quotes. mainly by the judge:                     R. v. Rene Ouellet       200-01-180625-141              Audience of July 29 2016              Honorable Judge Alain Morand, J.C.Q.              JCT: The first 9 pages establish which motion was being heard.       Each time he'd been thrown out, he'd filed the latest Quash       kit.              Page 10:       Court: So, you are asking the court to rule on your motion. If       unsuccessful, that will orient your plea you will make. For       you, the base of your case is the motion.       You've put together your jurisprudence upon which you will       rely for your motion.              Page 14:       Court: OK, neither you nor Mr. Ouellet have any witnesses to       hear. It's argument on law, strictly.              Page 17:       Court: Your argument is: Consider, Mr. Judge, the state of the       law as I propose, already decided and which should apply to my       case. Have I recapped what you'll submit? It's that, isn't it?       So the contestation deals strictly with a question of judicial       argument.       RENE: Yes. We have to settle this,then after I'll decide on       the future.       Court: Yes, I understand.              Page 20:       No, I'm preoccupied that you are here, your procedure is       ready, etc.. I'll check with the Registry if it can be dealt       with this morning.              Page 21:       Court: I am, I have well-informed myself of the situation in       your file. It seems pretty clear to me. I know where it is       going. I know what it represents, so it permits to have clear       facts to tell you what you should expect.              Page 27:       Court: In the spirit of the Charter, I have to offer the best       chance to have a reasonable, speedy, procedure.              Page 35:       Court: In fact, I will communicate personally with the next       judge too.       Crown: Okay.       Court: In the sense that when I find out who is the judge, me,       I will communicate with that person, tell of the exchanges       we've had, what you've told me... I will prepare a personal       copy for the judge sitting on your case, as well as the       jurisprudence.       Rene: Super.       Court: Which means the judge will be apprised in advance of       your situation.              Page 37:       Court: After the hearing, a copy of the motion will be made       and make a copy of the file for the next judge, then I'll have       it followed... So, that's settled, the judge will be       presented.. will know of your request, will have been made       aware., I hope, and in any case, we'll have the jurisprudence       of the Applicant.              JCT: So Sep 2 was set for the hearing of the Quash Motion in       Quebec City. This one I'm going to attend. Should be quite the       show. And it's our soonest event.              Sep 12 Nicholas Fontana Superior Court of Quebec       Sep 23 Nice Marie in Gatineau.              JCT: This time around, the Crown did not try to argue it       needed a Constitutional Notice. It is going ahead without. And       it can't be the Trial Judge because that's at Superior! So       after all these judges not seeing it isn't constitutional, we       finally got one who saw he's relying on the constitutional       precedents for their benefits. Not doing them again.              It does prove the point that if you ignore the judges who       cannot see and keep asking, you may eventually hit one       who does! Like ignoring the popes who couldn't see Galileo was       right until one did see.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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