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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Crown Response to Doherty nix "N    |
|    14 Aug 16 11:23:17    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: My previous post was on the Application for Leave to       Appeal Justice Doherty dismissing extensions of time to file       appeals against previous convictions, mine all the way back to       2006 on the Parliament Hill Bust, on the basis of the newly-       ruled Smith decision finding the MMAR unconstitutional back to       2001. Bela Beke and I filed appeals to 3 judges of the Ontario       Court of Appeal. They dismissed it.              We have very different cases. I was dismissed because I was       out of the system after a previous first appeal all the way to       the Supreme Court. Bela is still paying his fine and is still       in the system and has not already appealed once before. But he       got dismissed too because I got dismissed.              For some reason, Bela's Application got delayed in processing       while mine got filed first. So the Crown had to respond to       mine, the easier one, first.              Public Prosecution Service of Canada       Toronto              Aug 4 2016              Mr. Roger Bilodeau, Q.C.       Registrar, Supreme Court of Canada              Dear Mr. Registrar:              Re: Turmel v. HMTQ - SCC file number: 37064       Response to Application for Leave to Appeal              CR: Please accept this letter from the respondent to Mr.       Turmel's application for leave to appeal.              Allegedly pursuant to s.691(1)(b) of the Criminal Code, the       appellant seeks leave to appeal from the judgment of the       Ontario Court of Appeal (unreported: R. v. Turmel, April       52016) affirming his conviction for possession of marihuana       for the purpose of trafficking (s.5(2) of the CDSA).              The appellant frames his grounds for leave to appeal as       follows:        1. "The grounds are that no remedy to correct past bogus        convictions is an unconscionable maladministration of        justice."              For the following reasons, the respondent submits that leave       to appeal should not be granted as it does not raise an issue       of public importance meriting intervention of this Court.              JCT: Half a million Canadians who got bogus convictions while       the law as invalid isn't of national importance.              CR: The appellant was convicted of possession of marihuana for       the purpose of trafficking              JCT: To Prime Minister Chretien on Parliament Hill.              CR: contrary to s.5(2) of the CDSA by Belanger J., on March 10       2006. On appeal, he advanced the position, based on a       misreading of the Ontario Court of Appeal's decision in R. v.       Parker (2000), that he was not charged with an offence known       at law. His appeal was dismissed by the Ontario Court of       Appeal on the merits (R. v. Turmel 20070. His application for       leave to appeal to this Court was dismissed (Turmel v. The       Queen [2007]).              The applicant has repeatedly argued that whenever a court       finds a flaw in the medical marihuana regime, the Parker       decision retroactively invalidates the laws pertaining to the       possession and trafficking of marijuana back to the date of       its release on Aug. 1 2001, which he refers to as "Terry       Parker Day."              JCT: What is "its release?" Yes, I've repeatedly argued what       the the Parker-Hitzig-J.P. decisions meant. back to the date       of its release? Its release was the MMAR regime release.              CR: Accordingly, after this Court released its decision in R.       v. Smith, 2015, the applicant sought to bring a fresh appeal       in the Ontario Court of Appeal.              JCT: By asking for an extension of time.              CR: His application to further appeal his conviction was       dismissed by Justice Doherty on the basis that he was not       entitled to appeal the same conviction more than once.              JCT: Bela is entitled. And if new information comes up proving       the point, out of luck? Stuck with a bogus criminal record?              CR: The applicant then brought a further application in the       Court of Appeal where he sought to have Justice Doherty's       ruling set aside. On April 5 2016, that application was       dismissed by a three-member panel of the Ontario Court of       Appeal for want of jurisdiction.              JCT: They had no jurisdiction to over-rule a decision not to       extend time? Of course, they do, that's why I was allowed to       apply to set it aside. The section that says a motion may be       made to 3 judges to over-rule 1 judge happens to be there       right in the legislation but another set of oldsters giving us       a possibly senile interpretation of what they see. But not       seeing they had jurisdiction allowed them to not need to try       to see if the case had merit.              CR: The appellant now seeks leave to make the same argument       before this court.              JCT: Right, the same argument with a new precedent that       warranted the extension of time. After all, if Bela gets the       chance to clear his record, why not me? Too late? Live with       the record?              CR: The applicant fails to identify a justiciable issue,              JCT: I failed to identify what we're arguing about, whether       they have jurisdiction to overrule 1 judge on an extension of       time! Har har har har har har.              CR: let alone one of national importance.              JCT: The courts refused to expunge the 100,000 bogus       convictees last time, why start now. I'll cite the judges from       2007 who refused to expunge the criminal records of the       Parker-Hitzig period of absent exemption.              CR: The normal rules of "res judicata" apply to this appeal.              JCT: Actually, they don't. For "Issue Judged" to apply, it has       to be the same issue that was judged. And Parker-Smith has       never been judged.              CR: The principles applicable to the finality in appeals are       well settled having been set out by this Court in R. v. Sarson       [1996] at paras 30-31. Appeals can only be brought by       individuals still in the judicial system. The applicant has       been out of the judicial system since this Court dismissed his       application for leave to appeal in 2007. Contrary to the       applicant's contention, there is no right to a fresh appeal,       based on a change in the law, years after an individual has       been convicted on the merits and exhausted their routes of       appeal.              JCT: This is not based on a "change in law" that affects       future prosecutions, it's based on a retroactive       invalidation of the law that affects past ones!              And I couldn't care what rules prevent the courts from       correcting their mistakes, maybe they should be struck down       and ignored.              CR: For the reasons stated, the respondent therefore requests       that the application for leave to appeal be dismissed, without       costs. Trusting that this will be of assistance, I remain,       Yours sincerely,       Howard Piafsky       Counsel for HMTQ              JCT: So now I have until Aug 15th to file a Reply.              Once Bela's procedural snag is gone, has to do with fees, the       Crown will have to respond to his App from a guy still in the       system who never had an appeal who was thrown out because he              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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