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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Justice Webb wants 500-page prin    |
|    10 Dec 16 05:28:54    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: In my appeal of Justice Phelan's refusal to life the $250       cap on reimbursement for the compulsory auditor's letter for a       null return, the Crown insisted on a transcript of the whole       hearing, with their 300 page affidavit in the appeal book.              Jacob Pollice consented to my filing it as a PDF. So I made a       PDF of my 500 page Appeal Book and served it on the Crown but       the Court balked. Said I needed to make a motion to use PDF.              So I filed a motion to submit the 500-page Appeal Book as a       PDF and included how the Crown had consented.              On Dec 8 2016, Federal Court of Appeal Justice Wyman W. Webb       ruled:              Docket A-202-16       Ottawa, December 8 2016       Present: Webb, J.A.              BETWEEN        JOHN TURMEL        Appellant        and        HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN        Respondent               ORDER                     J: WHEREAS the Appellant had previously attempted to file the       appeal book by a USB key;              AND WHEREAS by a direction dated November 17 2016, the       Appellant was notified that "the appeal book must be filed in       paper form and must be formatted in a particular way" and if       he wanted to file any part of the appeal book in electronic       form he would have to bring a motion in writing;              AND WHEREAS the Appellant subsequently submitted for filing a       document which does not conform to the requirements of Rule       364, to request that he be permitted to file the appeal book       by USB key and that he be granted extension of time to file       the appeal book;              JCT: The irregularity is        RECORD OF MOTION        (Rule 369)       TABLE OF CONTENTS       1. Notice of Motion       2. Affidavit               NOTICE OF MOTION        (Rule 369)              TAKE NOTICE THAT Appellant John Turmel will make a motion to       the Court in writing under Rule 369 of the Federal Courts       Rules.       THE MOTION IS FOR a Order permitting the filing of the Appeal       Book by USB key and extension of time to file.       THE GROUNDS FOR THE MOTION ARE that the contents of the       Appeal Book have been agreed upon and the Respondent consents       to the service of the Appeal Book by USB key.       AND FOR ANY ORDER abridging or extending time for service,       or amending any defect as to form or content that this       Honorable Court may permit so justice be done.       DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE will be the Affidavit of the Appellant.       Dated at Brantford on Nov 28 2016.               APPELLANT'S AFFIDAVIT        (Rule 369)              I, John C. Turmel, residing at 50 Brant Ave in Brantford       Ontario make oath as follows:       Ex. A is the emailled consent of the Respondent to the service       of the Appeal Book by USB key.              JCT: The irregularity is clearly shown in the TABLE OF       CONTENTS       1. Notice of Motion       2. Affidavit       3. WRITTEN REPRESENTATIONS (missing)              The Written Representations explain how the evidence in the       Affidavit supports the motion. Here, the motion was so trivial       and the Affidavit so complete, I didn't see the need for more       explanation of why I wanted to go USB instead of a 500-page       pack of paper. I would have said:               WRITTEN REPRESENTATIONS       Since the Court makes PDFs of paper documents for their       files, it would save the Registry staff's time to scan the       500-page document to PDF by having the document submitted by       PDF already.              JCT: So, because I didn't explain to him the advantage for his       Registry staff, he notes the "irregularity!"              J: AND WHEREAS by letter received Dec 1 2016 the Appellant       requested that "any irregularities in a motion be amended";              JCT: The letter pointed out I had used the Magic Open-Says-Me       Words: "AND FOR ANY ORDER abridging or extending time for       service, or amending any defect as to form or content that       this Honorable Court may permit so justice be done" which       basically ask he ignore what may be ignored or amend what may       be amended to get the motion heard. Never fails. Worked at the       Supreme Court of Canada earlier this year. We'll see here.              J: AND WHEREAS the Respondent has consented to receiving the       appeal book by USB key but does not take any position in       relation to the Appellant's motion to permit him to file the       appeal book by USB key with the Court.              JCT: The Rules say:              Filing of Documents       Sending documents for filing              71 (1) A document may be sent to the Registry for the purpose       of filing by delivery, mail, fax or electronic transmission.              Sending by electronic transmission - document format              (4) A document that is sent by electronic transmission shall       be in PDF (Portable Document Format) or any other format that       is approved by the Court.              Paper copies - fax or electronic transmission       72.2 A person who files a document by fax or electronic       transmission shall, if required by the Court, provide the       Registry with the same number of paper copies of the document       as would have been required had the document been filed in       paper copy.              JCT: It seems the real issue is USB key rather than Email. I       figured giving it to them in PDF format was electronic service       but maybe the Court never considered that technology.              J: AND WHEREAS by Order dated Sep 2 2016, the Appellant's       motion "for an Order allowing the substitution of an audio CD       for the paper transcript before the Federal Court on May 10       2016" was dismissed with costs and therefore paper copies of       the transcripts are to be submitted;              JCT: No, there was no Order that paper transcripts be       submitted, only the rejection of the Court's own CD. Whether       the Appeal Book which includes the transcript is       electronically served is an other issue. I did obtain a paper       transcript which was then added to the PDF.              J: AND WHEREAS the Appellant has not provided any indication       of how the documents would be organized or labelled on the USB       key;              JCT: There was only one PDF file on the USB key! He wanted an       explanation of how that 1 file would be organized or labelled?       Imagine I'd sent the Appeal Book by email, there would have       been no instructions on how the PDF was organized.              J: NOW THEREFORE THE COURT ORDERS that:              (a) The document submitted as a "Record of Motion" is accepted       as a motion record for permission to file the appeal book by       USB key;              JCT: Open Says Me words work their magic again. There really       is nothing they can do when amending trivial stuff is pre-       requested.              J: (b) This motion for permission to file the appeal book by       USB key is dismissed and the Appellant shall file 5 paper              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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