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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Max, Martin, Gravel get jury tri    |
|    16 Mar 17 06:14:42    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: This was the opening of the assizes in Montreal before       Superior Court Justice Marc David to set up the trials. There       were 30 lawyers to start who go first.              Justice David recognized the motion as similar to another he       had summarily dismissed in Gatineau without reading it,       Fontana's Quash Motion, but said: I know you, march outside       society, you're part of the "Freemen-on-the-land" movement.       Seems he did quite the diatribe. Max explained that they       weren't with that movement at all.              So he set the week of April 24-28 2017 before a lady judge and       they had to come back on March 9 to finalize things.              A fourth accused who was peripherally involved had a lawyer       and wanted to return to trial below but can't when one of the       accused is going the high court route. But the judge did want       to convince them to go have their trial below. No chance.              Trying to scare them, he asked the Crown what penalty was       being sought for almost 500 plants? She said "House arrest!"       The judge said: No no, what is the worst you'll be seeking?       And again, she said "House arrest!" Har har har. Real scary.       Last year, they offered 2 years less a day, quite the come-       down.              When talking about the new Jordan Rule about having the trial       within 30 months, the Crown blamed them and their motion for       the delays! Imagine, it's the Crown who stalled the motion at       every hearing and now she blames them for the delays.              He gave them until Mar 9 to get the Notice of Constitutional       Question done for the Quash Motion to be heard at the opening       of the trial. Har har har.              The Crown has convinced the Court to hear the Charter Quash       motion before empanelling a jury. The Crown seems to think       that the offer to accept an Agreed Statement of Facts means       they're willing to plead guilty if the Constitutional Motion       loses. That's what had surprised Justice Buffoni who'd       pressured Nicholas to plead guilty if he admitted the facts       several times. He couldn't remember anyone who admitted the       facts who had not pleaded guilty. Why did he insist on not       just pleading guilty.              I had told Nicolas to keep why a secret in order to let the       judge think he was the final arbiter of the punishment and he       might be more lenient. If he knew that it was going to be       appealed, he could be as tough as he wants since the Courts of       Appeal often reduce the sentence. But finally, Nicholas       admitted our move: I don't want to give up option to appeal.       Bingo, the judge got it. Nicholas needed his Guilty verdict he       could appeal, not a Guilty plea he could not.              Now I keep joking about the Charter Quash motion which isn't a       Charter motion at all. But Max will be filing a Charter motion       and will give Notice to the provincial Attorneys-General of       that motion.       So at the hearing, he'll be able to say he did not give       constitutional notice about the Quash Motion but did about the       Charter motion.              But the idea of hearing the Quash, then taking the plea, then       hearing the Charter Motion before empanelling a jury makes       sense. Don't know if it's legal but saves tons of resources.       The judge tried to talkin to Gravel into going below but he       said: I'm going with these guys. Trial April 24-28              On March 9 hearing before Judge Madeleine xxx, Max filed the       Charter Motion, the Notice of Constitutional Question for the       Charter motion, and his Affidavit of service to the AGs. She       gave them until Friday March 17 to get all their will-says in.       The Crown suggested that they could be admitted without the       patient testimony. Sure, as long as we can point to a couple       of dozen doctors who refused because they were told not to by       some authority affecting all Quebec doctors.              If you're in Montreal, and you can testify to a doctor who       refused for non-medical reasons, give Max a call at 514-318-       8028 about your will-say.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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