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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Clerk reserves on Crown motion t    |
|    27 Jul 17 18:23:17    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: Yes, the Clerk of the Court has a role to play in some       motions that want to throw out an appeal as frivolous and       vexatious. Greffe-Adjoint Julie Denvroede presiding.              S.685 of the Criminal Code says that the Crown has to make the       motion to the Court Clerk who then refers it to a full panel       for dismissal summarily. Of course, this is useful for appeals       by lunatics who don't know what they're doing.              Crown Maxime Lacourciere made the point that Trial Judge       Boucher had dismissed the Charter Motion on May 8 2017 as       frivolous for improperly citing the MMAR instead of the MMPR.       But we're not appealing that decision, we're appealing the       dismissal of the Quash Motion which was done on May 10 at the       end of the process. And the judge simply said he was       dismissing it as frivolous since it was based on the same       thing as the Charter Motion he had dismissed summarily.              Oops. Wrong. I had not made the typo of MMAR instead of       MMPR in the Quash Motion. And Maxime isn't even aware of the       Quash Motion decision since he wasn't the Crown doing the       case. So he said that Boucher had dismissed it as frivolous       but didn't know that Boucher hadn't read it.              Adrian only had one thing to say: Justice Schrager said it       wasn't frivolous to find out if the Allard decision striking       down the exemption had an impact on the law affecting me.              The Clerk noted that she'd seen the Schrager decision. Then       Adrian mentioned how Madam Justice Bich had also cited Mr.       Justice Schrager and asked Adrian where that was. He pointed       out Paragraph 2 of her decision...              So here's the gist: This rare procedure is to be used when       it's a frivolous appeal and the clerk should be able to say       pretty clearly that there's a problem with it when it's sent       to the full panel for dismissal, where the Appellant will get       the chance to argue it's not funny. If it is funny, an idiot       would get creamed.              But how often would a clerk doing a quash "frivolous" appeal       motion have a judge already saying "the appeal is not       frivolous." And how often would the Appellant have another       judge saying it's not frivolous too?              So, even though she doesn't know why the judges saw something       serious in the appeal, she has to recommend that to her, there       is nothing serious and that the judges were wrong.              The Crown argued that the full quote was: For the purposes of       the release pending appeal motion, the appeal is not       frivolous. As if to imply that the appeal could be frivolous       for the purposes of overturning his conviction.. Silly       actually. The judges said: the appeal is not frivolous. Tough       to come up with a misinterpretation of that one.              So that was it. Lacourciere made his motion for 3 minutes,       Adrian made his rebuttal for 3 minutes, she ascertained what       dates would be available if she does recommend that a panel       dismiss the appeal summarily as frivolous, and reserved her       decision.              Think about it, the Crown wants the Clerk to contradict the       Judges. Har har har har har har. On the grounds that "the       appeal is not frivolous" can be taken in a context where the       appeal is frivolous. Har har har.              So, counting Waylon O'Reilly's reserved decision today in       Federal Court of Canada, not this one at Quebec's highest       court makes it two reserved decisions on the same day. The       Crown just couldn't win them at today's showdown.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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