Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"
|    can.legal    |    Debating Canuck legal system quirks    |    10,932 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 10,274 of 10,932    |
|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Court of Appeal Orders Adrian St    |
|    27 Sep 17 04:45:48    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              TURMEL: Court of Appeal Orders Adrian Stuerm back to jail              JCT: Adrian Stuerm filed an appeal against his conviction for       Production of 65 Cannabis plants on the grounds that the Judge       Boucher erred in dismissing the S.601 Motion to Quash the       charge based on the Krieger [2003] invalidation of the S.7(1)       Prohibition on Production absent a valid medical exemption and       the Allard v. HMQ [2016] ruling that the exemption was not       valid between April Fool 2014 and Aug 26 2016.              The Crown applied to have the appeal of our Charter Motion       challenging the MMAR summarily dismissed as frivolous and       vexatious though we weren't appealing the dismissal of the       Charter Motion against the MMAR, we were appealing the       dismissal of the non-Charter S.601 Motion to Quash.              Adrian also filed for Leave to Appeal his 6-month month       mandatory minimum sentence (also charged to Guy Potier for 8       plants) on the grounds the Elliott [2017] decision (after his       sentencing) struck down the mandatory minima in British       Columbia. How fair would it be to send him back to finish his       6 months, he did 20 days before release pending appeal, when       it's been struck down as unconstitutional for BC.              QUEBEC COURT OF APPEAL              Justices Louis Rochette, Nicholas Kasirer, Claude C. Gagnon.       Maxime Lacourciere for the Crown Applicant. A dozen lawyers in       the room but we're 3rd on the list.              In the Crown's Application (motion) to summarily dismiss the       conviction appeal as frivolous, usually the Applicant spoke       first. Here, they asked Adrian to speak first.              Actually, that was good and bad. The good was that I had       prepared a written Response I wanted to Adrian to hand in. So       he could. It included what the Court Record did not have, the       Krieger documentation for S.7 Production being struck down       too, not just S.4 Possession by Parker. And it had the second       unknown S.601 Motion to Quash of which they were all unaware.       The bad was that the Court didn't have all the info before       them and thought the idiot was appealing the Charter Motion       against the MMAR. Their minds were made up so they didn't need       to hear the Crown make his case, they knew and agreed with it.       Thought it was a waste of time.              So Adrian proffered the written response with appendices but       the Court refused to accept them and told him make his case       orally! Adrian asked if John Turmel could read it since it was       in English. So he tried.              He tried to explain that it wasn't a Charter challenge. But       the judge jumped on him for paragraph 8 in the Notice of       Appeal for a common legal misunderstanding. Here's what I said       and then he's what he thought I said:        8. Since the MMPR was not a valid medical exemption,        Appellant seeks a declaration that S.4(1) and S.7(1) of        the Controlled Drugs & Substances Act were        constitutionally invalid at the time of the offence.                     When a law is still alive, a lawyer making the constitutional       case that it should be declared dead since such date, will say       "Applicant seeks a declaration that S.4(1) and S.7(1) of the       Controlled Drugs & Substances Act were constitutionally       invalid at the time of the offence back then."              Because of the weird rulings by the courts that say the       prohibitions are unconstitutional absent a valid medical       exemption, there is a unique On-Off Exemption switch judges       can't grasp since it's so unique.              If the Exemption is valid, Prohibition is On. If the Exemption       is not valid, Prohibition is Off. They're think it's on until       we repeat the same constitutional arguments that turned it Off       last time! That Krieger said "No Prohibition since the       Exemption was Absent" means we need a new Charter challenge       for a new Allard absence. We would it they hadn't included the       switch. A conditional unconstitutionality is what they can't       get their head around. Never saw an On-Off switch before! If       it was On, it needs a Charter Challenge to turn it Off is all       they know if they don't know about the conditional switch.       They forget how the "absent exemption" affects the Order.              As far as Judge Kasirer was concerned, when we said "It was Off by       previous Charter challenges," he interpreted it as "It should       be Off again as previous Charter challenges turned it off       then. And of course, he thought all those courts saying Parker       only turned off S.4 Possession, not any other section, and       didn't know about the Krieger Turn Off of Production!              So the Crown painted it to look frivolous and vexatious       (appealing the May 8 Charter decision as they think he was       doing would have been frivolous and vexatious so he had right       to be legitimately angry had his info been complete. But       with the picture painted by Max who didn't know the whole       picture himself, (he didn't do the Montreal Trial, he does the       higher courts) it sure stupid to everyone but me. Har har har.              So that's the set up going in. It sure looks like the Clerk       gave them a frivolous and vexatious appeal to summarily       dismiss, doesn't it? Now the fly in the ointment.              Adrian explained how they all had the wrong motion. He wasn't       appealing dismissal of the May 8 Charter motion against the       improperly-cited MMAR, he was appealing the May 9 dismissal of       the S.601 Motion to Quash against the properly-cited MMPR!              So they start searching their file for the Quash Motion that's       not there. Then they adjourn to go look for it.              During the break, I told Adrian to simply read the Response       into the Record. Then I told the clerk he could tell the court       that the documentation included the missing Quash motion.              A few minutes later, they reconvened and Justice Rochette told       Adrian they'd accept the documents! Wow. What a cave. It's       in. Should end up reserved to consider the new info.              But no more discussion on the Krieger/Allard conviction       appeal, they would have to read the response to be disabused       of the notion we were appealing the May 8 Charter dismissal.              They went on to the Crown's opposition to the Leave to Appeal       against sentence. Adrian made the mistake of starting to read       his Reply I'd written rather than hand it in. He did mention       the the Elliott decision striking down Minima in BC. Again,       Judge Kasirer stuck Adrian with a cute, but invalid, point.              Judge Boucher had indicated that even though the Mandatory       Minimum said 6 months, he'd have come to that sentence without       a Mandatory Minimum anyway.              Really? Had the Mandatory Minimum Sentence been only 4 months,       he'd have still punished such a tiny grow with 6 months?       Really> What if it had been 2 months? Would 6 months really       seem so right on? What if the mandatory minimum was 1 month? 6              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca