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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Ethier gets Discharge on Pot Pos    |
|    16 Feb 18 14:55:48    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              JCT: After ruling he didn't see how reduced chances of       survival relate to the Right to Life, Ontario Provincial       Judge Keast dismissed his constitutional Mernagh Plus Why       Charter motion and convicted Mike Ethier of Possession of 3       ounces of marijuana.              But then said that given the state of the law and upcoming       legalization, he was granting an Absolute Discharge! He knew       that Mike had been exempted before but had lost his doctor.       No criminal record! How great! Mike's last conviction was in       2008 so he'll be past the 10 year limit that would bar him       from being a Designated Grower. He can now get into the       industry legally. After all, his conviction proves he's       experienced.              But Judge Keast also convicted him of pot-impaired driving,       gave him a $1,000 fine and had to impose the mandatory 1-       year license suspension for pot impairment. That's going to       hurt a guy who lives in the northern sticks half an hour       from town. Remember, if he drove in the manner testified to       by the delusional cop, it's hard to believe such a danger on       the road has never caused an accident!              The learned judge erred in presuming that someone who smokes       marijuana is therefore impaired, doesn't matter if he's       never caused an accident. Then again, he did have a demented       cop's testimony to convince him this guy who's never caused       an accident has been driving dangerously impaired all these       decades.              It will be a fascinating appeal. Anyone know anyone else       ever convicted of pot-impaired driving? I remember Rick       Reiber beat the charge in Pembroke in yesteryear. Mike       pointed it out but the judge still found that Mike had been       too impaired at the time to drive safely. Har har har.              The judge who could not see what was there, the flaws in the       ACMPR to render the regime constitutionally dysfunctional, but       now sees what was not really there, impairment. Har har har.              Anyway, Mike could have one of our last MedPot appeals to       the top and maybe the only "Pot-Impaired" appeal ever! And       by the time we get there, pot will have been legal and       accidents will have come down.              So, is Mike Ethier the only person ever convicted of pot-       impaired driving in Canada? He'll be the only such case ever       recorded in the Supreme Court of Canada. Guaranteed.              Then again, the hallucinating cop will be a stumbling block.       Maybe he was tired, rather than delusional or demented. But       following a driver for over 20 minutes before deciding he's       impaired seems odd. Wonder if he and Mike had a history?              Still, since cannabis enhances motor skills, the law itself       that presumes impairment is the problem, not just the cop       who, even if he had seen no impaired driving, could have       still laid the charge based on smell alone.              So a unique pot argument on the way to the top.              But we have to get a stay on the sentence and him driving       again as soon as possible. Remember, despite evidence of       never causing an accident, the judge can say: Sure, we now       know that cannabis enhances motor skills but the cop did say       that even with better motor skills, you crossed the line and       the shoulder in those 30 kilometers of driving.              But if the pot-mandatory minimum isn't there, the sentence       can be reduced. And if the pot-impairment isn't there, so he       wandered across a line. And there could be other reasons he       strayed. He could have been reaching for his coffee. Rather       than due to being high, it was due to him rolling a joint!              Final problem, I left Mike the money to order me the CD of       my testimony. They're telling him that he has to make a       motion to the judge and won't sell him the audio.              Don't forget, self-defenders, lawyers and reporters have the       right to tape the proceedings for our own notes. I've done       it since 1988, but I'm the only court-participant who ever       took advantage of that. No lawyers or reporters bright       enough to have caught on yet. So I've stopped telling people       to record their hearings because they can order them.       Quebec, same day. Nova Scotia, paid and mailed a few days       later. But I guess the Charter Right to equal treatment       under the law may not apply in North Bay or Ontario.              So maybe not just North Bay. Looking at the Audio Order       Form, it says that Crown Attorneys and media can buy a CD       but Litigants and Members of the public have to get an Order       from the judge! Right on the form.              I presumed that when a litigant filed the form, it would be       sent to the judge for his consent. But Judge Brown sent       Mike's form back stating he had to make a motion for an       Order!              Imagine. In Quebec, I walk over to the tape-recorder       department and fill out the form and walk out with the tape       half an hour later. In Nova Scotia, I filled out the form       and paid the $25 and they mailed it to me. But in North Bay,       or maybe Ontario, your lawyer needs to file a motion.              Now the form asks reason: to supplement personal notes, and       lays out the understanding of conditions and no-nos I have       to sign that I understand. It points out I'm subject to       Court of Justice Act Rule 136, the rules for self-taping       against broadcasting. I've abided by it for almost 30 years.              But they changed that rule. It used to say that litigants,       lawyers and reporters could unobtrusively tape record to       supplement their notes. I did that for years without even       telling the judges.              Then they changed it to say: may tape, in a manner approved       by the judge...              What does that mean? How many manners are there to       unobtrusively record? Something wrong with my phone? They       could have said: "after alerting the judge..." to let him       know, but no, "in a manner approved by the judge" lets him       say he doesn't approve of your tape recorder or phone.              And now the form says that litigants have to get the judge's       permission to get their audios but not Crown or reporters.              Almost begs for a constitutional challenge.              Since either the litigant or member of the public has to go       for the order, I decided I would file the motion for the       Order okaying selling me the transcript of my testimony. So       I wrote up a short Motion:               COURT OF ONTARIO        (Superior Court of Justice)        (Northeast Region)       BETWEEN:        HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN        Respondent        - and -        MICHEL ETHIER        Accused               NOTICE OF MOTION              TAKE NOTICE THAT John Turmel, member of the public, seeks an       Order authorizing the sale of the audio recording of the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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