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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Chris Enns Seeking Return of Pot    |
|    06 Mar 18 21:06:47    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              TURMEL: Chris Enns Seeking Return of Pot from last bust, busted again!              JCT: Chris Enns just posted:              Background & Overview:              Sherri and I are seeking compensation for the cannabis       plants and dried cannabis that the police seized in 2014       despite being within the limits of our MMAR production       licenses. As all of the charges surrounding that raid have       been completely withdrawn, our CDSA s 24 application, which       was filed within the 60-day time limit, is now live and set       down to be heard in Dartmouth Provincial Court in April 2018       with Tousaw Law at helm of the ship.              JCT: I'm proud to say it was my motion for Return of Pot       which is included when people file the Quash Motion that is       now paying off. Bet Kirk Tousaw is happy fighting this       unique opportunity. Face it, no one else ever applied for       the return of their pot up front except guys arguing the law       is dead, not that they're not guilty. It paid off for Derek       Francisco and Voytek Krzyz. Should pay off for Chris too.              CE: This is a nascent area of caselaw, however, so I am       seeking legal advice and reasoned responses from all those       interested in the outcome. It seemed fairly straightforward       that the crown would need to compensate us for the plants       and cannabis that were seized. They are now seeking to       dismiss our claim for lack of jurisdiction. I've copied       below the section of the criminal code that provides the       right for compensation in lieu of return:              Application for return of substance       24 (1)Where a controlled substance has been seized, found or       otherwise acquired by a peace officer or an inspector, any       person may, within sixty days after the date of the seizure,       finding or acquisition, on prior notification being given to       the Attorney General in the prescribed manner, apply, by       notice in writing to a justice in the jurisdiction in which       the substance is being detained, for an order to return that       substance to the person.              Payment of compensation in lieu       (5) Where, on the hearing of an application made under       subsection (1), a justice is satisfied that an applicant is       the lawful owner or is lawfully entitled to possession of a       controlled substance, but an order has been made under       subsection 26(2) in respect of the substance, the justice       shall make an order that an amount equal to the value of the       substance be paid to the applicant.              JCT: Seems pretty clear that when the substance has been       properly disposed of too soon, there is compensation.              Security, health or safety hazard       26(2) Where, on the hearing of an application made under       subsection (1), a justice is satisfied that there are       reasonable grounds to believe that the controlled substance       constitutes a potential security, public health or safety       hazard, the justice shall order that the substance or any       portion not required for the purposes of a preliminary       inquiry, trial or other proceeding under this or any other       Act of Parliament be forfeited to Her Majesty to be disposed       of or otherwise dealt with in accordance with the       regulations or, if there are no applicable regulations, in       such manner as the Minister directs.              Issue              The police, without legal jurisdiction, destroyed the plants       and cannabis before making any application to the court. As       such, when our section 24 application was filed, the judge       never made an order under s. 26(2) because the Crown noted       on the record that the plants and cannabis had already been       destroyed by the police independent of any application or       legal process.              Crown is seeking to having our CDSA s. 24 application       dismissed on the grounds that since no order was issued by       the provincial court under s. 26(2), then there is no       jurisdiction to have a hearing under s. 24(5) for payment of       compensation in lieu.              JCT: "since no order was issued by the provincial court       under s. 26(2) TO DESTROY IT, then there is no jurisdiction       to have a hearing under s. 24(5) for payment of compensation       in lieu.              So when the substance has been properly disposed of too       soon, there is compensation, but when improperly disposed of       too soon, no compensation? Har har har. Since the cops broke       the law, Chris has no recourse. Lawyers will say anything.              More serious, two days after the Crown withdrew the 2014       charges, they busted Chris again! Of all the people to want       to tangle with again.              I hope it's made him mad enough to dig out some ACMPR       Delayed victims to join our Federal Court Fight. Looking       forward to April's hearing. Should be great fun for Kirk.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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