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|    TURMEL: Biggest MedPot S.56 90,000 Class    |
|    16 Apr 18 18:30:21    |
   
   From: johnturmel@yahoo.com   
      
   TURMEL: Biggest MedPot S.56 90,000 Class Exemption Covered Up   
      
   JCT: I've done a shorter video on this https://youtu.be/vB4aqjEyaQM   
      
   PATIENTS TAKE FEDS TO COURT OVER BACKLOG IN POT HOMEGROW PERMITS   
   Kyle Duggan. Published on Apr 4, 2018 10:42am   
      
   https://ipolitics.ca/2018/04/04/patients-take-feds-to-court-over   
   backlog-in-pot-homegrow-   
      
   permits/   
      
   Blog:   
   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.fan.john-turmel   
      
   JCT: Last week, we read the first media report on the   
   biggest S.56 Class Exemption in history probably affecting   
   over 90,000 patient permit-holders! Remember, the Allard   
   injunction affected only 18,000 permits. But the reporter   
   forgot to mention that it was the biggest Class Exemption in   
   history. Or the 90,000. Or that the patients in his article   
   were the ones who sued to get the Minister to issue his   
   emergency fix. Nowhere is it mentioned here that this   
   emergency S.56 Class Exemption affecting all permits so far   
   was sought by the patients he's writing about in the   
   article! How could he have missed it unless the spin is to   
   cover or minimize the Crown's loss.   
      
   He missed it by interviewing the Defendant (Health Canada)   
   and then balanced his report by interviewing the Defendant's   
   lawyer! But no patients! Har har har. Even-handed   
   journalism. Not interviewing both sides explains why he got   
   so much wrong and left so much out. Did he expect the whole   
   truth just listening to the lawying from the Justice   
   Ministry? The headline should really have been:   
   "DAMAGES FROM BACKLOG DUE TO SHORT-STAFFING!"   
      
   Kyle Duggan is doing what's called a "limited hang-out" to   
   minimize the embarrassment of Health Canada getting caught   
   with its dick hanging out. When you're caught, you admit as   
   much as you can yourself to hide what isn't yet showing and   
   limit the hang-out. Ask the CIA.   
      
   I already posted the whole article last week with a few   
   early comments but now I'm going to focus on the distortions   
   necessary to make it a "Limited Hang-Out."   
      
   It's Delayed Permit Plaintiffs v. Health Canada Defendant   
      
   Of course, Kyle can't quote anything being sought by the   
   patients in the Statement of Claim, he'll stick with what   
   whatever Defendant's counsel lawyed to him and she didn't   
   tell him the patients want damages for the delay! Just leave   
   it sounding like the delay problem is solved once they got   
   their permits. But here is exactly what they claim:   
    A) a declaration that the long processing time for   
    Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations   
    ("ACMPR") Production Registrations and Renewals violates   
    the patient's S.7 Charter Right to Life, Liberty,   
    Security with no principle of fundamental justice such   
    as war or emergency to necessitate and absolve such   
    violations; and claims remedy in unspecified damages   
    under S.24 of the Charter in the amount of the value of   
    the Applicant's prescription and lost site rent and   
    expenses during any delay which this Court may rule   
    inappropriate for a reasonable processing time for   
    Registrations for medication, and   
    B) a declaration that back-dating the period of   
    Registration and Renewal from the Effective Date for   
    Registration or Expiry Date for Renewals as under the   
    MMAR to the date the doctor signed under the ACMPR   
    violates the patient's S.7 Charter Rights and claims   
    remedy for the full term of the prescription to take   
    effect on the Effective Date of the Registration and on   
    the Expiry Date of a Renewed Registration like the   
    Health Card, Driver's License and MMAR.   
      
   JCT: Get it, Cause A, damages for delay! Cause B, stop the   
   back-dating and restitute the full term of prescription,   
   like under the MMAR.   
      
   DELAY NOT DUE TO RECENT SKYROCKETING!   
      
   KD: As the application rate skyrockets, Canadian cannabis   
   patients who want to home grow their own medical marijuana   
   have been going to court in droves, citing delays in the   
   permitting system.   
      
   JCT: The delays cited are not from the recent skyrocketing   
   application rate, that's the limited hang-out reason. The   
   delays are actually due to short-staffing "ab initio!" "from   
   the start!"   
      
   Igor Mozajko submitted his 6-month Medical Document in   
   January 2017 and it expired in July before being processed.   
   His delay early last year had nothing to do with the skyrocketing   
   applications later last year, they were taking longer than   
   6-months over a year ago. So blaming the delays on "recent   
   skyrocketing" is the limited hang-out for systemic "short-   
   staffing" causing the delays the whole time!"   
      
   30 NEW STAFF HOW MUCH HELP?   
      
   KD: Health Canada, which issues the permits, hired 30 new   
   staff in response to ballooning permit applications which   
   rose 101 per cent over the last six months of 2017.   
      
   JCT: How much was staff increased by adding 30 new people to   
   handle double the demand? If they went from 10 to 40, 300%   
   more in response to skyrocketing and ballooning doubling of   
   demand, wow. If it went from 300 to 330, 10% to handle 100%,   
   not so wow!   
   Not telling us how many staff at the start, there's no   
   way for us to know how much better 30 new staff should make   
   it. Some people aren't sharp enough to know what the next   
   question should be. So he didn't find out how much, not how   
   many, more staff were hired and Health Canada didn't tell   
   him.   
      
   But I could have told him from other sources that they are   
   up to 70 staff. So 30 new staff added to the original 40 old   
   staff is a 75% increase in staff.   
      
   So it's 75% more staff to handle 101% more demand!   
      
   So now that he's hidden how much was the increase in staff,   
   Kyle's going to pass along how much better things are   
   getting with 30 more staff to handle the 100% more   
   applications.   
      
   He knows the workload doubled but didn't answer if 30 more   
   staff could handle it. So he's hiding that they can't. So   
   tell them 30 more staff are handling double the demand so   
   successfully.   
      
   NO MENTION OF ACTUAL BUSTEES   
      
   KD: Without a production permit under the current system,   
   patients become liable to fine and imprisonment if they   
   don't destroy their cannabis.   
      
   JCT: Had Kyle talked to a patient or read my blog, he'd have   
   known about Plaintiffs who were really busted while waiting   
   for their doctor's medical document to be registered.   
   Patients who would not have been busted had their permits   
   been processed under the MMAR 4-week standard. Note Kyle   
   omitted any mention of our one and only card! The "Lessard   
   Card" upon which are based all the claims that "MMAR   
   APPLICATIONS ARE DONE IN UNDER 4 WEEKS, RENEWALS IN FAR   
   LESS. You can understand why it's our Ace and why Kyle can't   
      
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