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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Judge Mainville reserves on MedP    |
|    23 Apr 18 07:52:22    |
      From: johnturmel@yahoo.com              TURMEL: Judge Mainville reserves on MedPot Luc Paquette Prelim              JCT: Ray Turmel was with Luc Paquette in the Quebec Court of       today on a motion not to allow a trial without a       Preliminary Inquiry. Gatineau Crown Crown Sandra Bonnano       made the trip to Montreal. Justice Robert Mainville       presiding.              The problem is that you don't get a Preliminary Inquiry if       you are being tried in Provincial Cour du Quebec by judge       alone!! I knew that you didn't get a jury trial if the       charge was under 3Kg but I didn't know you could be facing a       big 5-year sentence for under 3KG and not get a Preliminary       Inquiry. Live and learn. If you are charged with more than       3Kg, you may have a jury trial. If you are charged with       under 3KG, no Election and no Preliminary Inquiry!              Most of the people I've helped were charged with production       which has an automatic election to jury trial and P.I. And       most of them admit the facts since they're challenging the       law, and waive the P.I. that shows evidence enough to be       bound over for trial.              The problem is that he was facing the more serious       production charge and P4P Over 3Kg when he demanded his       Preliminary Inquiry. When Judge Millar sent him off to have       his Quash Motion heard, it mentioned no witnesses would be       there at that time but there was no distinction whether they       were going to be witnesses for the P.I. or for the trial.       Except that the Court Record listed it as a Charter       Challenge which is heard by the Trial Judge once the trial       is started. And he still had a right to P.I. at that point.              So did Judge Laflamme start the trial in order to hear the       Quash Motion he was told was a Charter Motion? He should       have if he thought it was a Charter challenge. But if he       did, he would have asked Luc for his plea, at the opening of       the trial. He did not, or Ray would have noted it.              Regardless, the motion for Prohibition was filed while Luc       was facing the production and P4P Over 3K charge and due his       P.I. But at his Quash hearing, the Crown withdrew the       charges that would have given him the P.I., the Production       count, and also reduced the P4P to under 3K. So now he had       no more right to a P.I. or election to jury trial.              The Crown brought along all the Court records and all the       audio CDs. The judge called it such a mess that he reserved       his decision and hoped to get it resolved before the       Wednesday hearing before Laflamme continues.              That is no problem. Laflamme is doing the Quash first as it       should be. And then, it will go to trial properly without a       P.I. now that the Crown changed the charges.              So Justice Mainville is going to dig deeper and then tell us       what happened. But it looks like everything is back on       track.              Other than it should have been Judge Millar as judge of       first instance doing the Quash, having passed it off to       Judge Laflamme means everything is now on track. And we'll       know for sure that Luc no longer gets a P.I. now that he's       staying below on the lesser charges.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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