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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: No-longer-valid unamended Claim     |
|    14 May 18 11:52:34    |
      From: johnturmel@gmail.com              JCT: This is the letter sent to the court about the Crown's       insistence on not using Jeff Harris' Amended Statement of       Claim:              Jeff Harris              May 14,2018              The Honourable Justice Brown       via Colinne Martin, Registry Officer              Dear Justice Brown:              Re: HARRIS, Allan v. Her Majesty the Queen (Turmel Kit)       Court File No.: T-1379-17              In its May 11 2018 letter, the Defendant Canada writes:        Mr. Harris alleges that Canada included the wrong        Statement of Claim in its motion record.        As per the Canada's Amended Notice of Motion dated April        25, 2018, found in its Motion Record, Canada is bringing        its motion to strike the March 5, 2018 Amended Statement        of Claim of Mr. A. Jeffery Harris. Canada's motion        record did not include a copy of Mr. Harris' Amended        Statement of Claim because it is part of the Court        record. However, Canada's motion record did include a        copy of the Statement of Claim filed by the plaintiff        Jason Allman T-1582-17 because this claim contained a        pleading that renewals could be obtained in 6-8 weeks.              The Allman Statement of Claim does not contain a pleading       that "renewals could be obtained in 6-8 weeks" but just the       opposite. It actually pleads registrations are renewed "6-8       weeks after expiry" which can never mean renewals could be       done "on time" in 6-8 weeks. The Court is already aware of       the recommended but insufficient 6-8 weeks and shouldn't       need reminding.              Not all documents in the Court Record need be in the Motion       Record. But all the documents needed at the hearing should       be. The Court shouldn't have to search through other       material in the Court Record for documents not in the Motion       Record. The Amended Statement of Claim sought to be struck       should be. An unamended no-longer-valid Statement of Claim       should not.               Canada included this Statement of Claim in the record        specifically because it was not the Statement of Claim        of the lead plaintiff and was thus not in the Court        file. I apologize for any confusion that this may have        caused.              The Allman Statement of Claim included in the Record was not       his latest amended Statement of Claim! it was the outdated       version that did not include the amended Cause asking for a       declaration to strike the requirement in S.8.2b that the       period start when the doctor signed causing "Too short permit"       with damages by "Restitution."              NOT ALL OTHERS        Mr. Harris also alleges that:        The Statements of Claim of all the 140 Plaintiffs        are deemed amended to that of the Lead Plaintiff        which was updated to include both Causes of Action:        A: too long process time, B: too short permit.        To the extent that Mr. Harris alleges that his Amended        Statement of Claim replaces the Statements of Claim        filed by all other plaintiffs, it is Canada's position        that this is not the case.        Mr. Harris has been selected to be the lead plaintiff        from among the claims. According to the Order of this        Court dated December 11, 2017, Mr. Harris' claim is to        proceed as the lead claim, and this Court's findings in        his claim will be used to determine the other claims. It        is Canada's position that the Court's December 11, 2017        Order cannot be taken to mean that Mr. Harris' claim        replaces the statements of claim filed by the other        plaintiffs.              Not all the other plaintiffs. The claims of the last 100       plaintiffs have no need to be amended, only the early ones       whose claims did not seek Remedy Cause B. So Lead Plaintiff's       original motion sought only "to substitute the claim from       the latest Turmel-Kit Plaintiffs" which included A and B       Remedies for those of the early filers on the grounds        A) the Defendant must inevitably respond to the B Cause        of Action for "full-term" Registrations for the newest        Turmel-Kit Plaintiffs and early Plaintiffs have suffered        the same Registration short-changing and amending the        Turmel-Kit claims to seek both remedies is better than        filing separate claims.              The Court ordered that Lead Plaintiff's Claim be amended       while the remainder of the early claims did not have to be       amended but were simply deemed amended to those of the later       plaintiffs. Jason Allman's early Statement of Claim must now       be deemed updated with other early filers to seek Remedy B.       Allman's claim was deemed updated like all the early       plaintiffs, but not actually amended. So his claim in the       Motion Record does not include Cause of Action B. It is no       longer a valid Statement of Claim since it does not contain       the amended Cause of Action B and use of an early out-dated       unamended version of his claim that does not match the Lead       Plaintiff's, as it should, tends to mislead by making the       issue of restitution disappear from the Motion Record.              Agreed, a S.56 Order to not short any more permits may       mooten the need for a "Too Short Permit" declaration for       those no longer being shorted after March 2 2018 but does       not settle the restitution of the time for the plaintiffs       shorted before March 2 nor mooten the need for a declaration       in order to get restitution.              Even if the actual Amended Statement of Claim can be       excluded from the Motion Record, including a "no-longer-       valid" unamended Allman Claim can only mislead.              Defendant's Representations mention the policy change no       longer requiring the period to start on the date the doctor       signed pursuant to S.8.2b to moot the claims but omit the       Statement of Claim showing the Plaintiffs had sought that       relief.              Using an outdated Allman Claim does not serve to show that       renewals could be obtained in 6-8 weeks but serves to make       the issue of restitution disappear from the record. The       Motion Record has no record of Plaintiffs' asking for a       declaration of "Too Short Permit" and "Restitution!" And the       Written Representations, without mentioning the restitution,       only say the whole Cause of Action B, declaration and       damages, is mooted by the S.56 orders changing policy. With       no record of plaintiffs asking for the policy change that       was granted, no record to show that the plaintiffs won       Remedy B, it might be easier for Defendant in seeking costs       since the Defendant shouldn't pay costs for not losing.               It's Canada's position that the motion to strike is        proper, the inclusion of the Allman claim is proper and        that the motion should be allowed to proceed.        However, should the Court want Canada to include a copy        of the March 5, 2018 Amended Statement of Claim of Mr.              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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