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   John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All   
   TURMEL: Jordan Peterson: Matthew Princip   
   23 Jul 18 13:58:56   
   
   From: johnturmel@gmail.com   
      
   Dr. Jordan B. Peterson   
   Faculty of Psychology   
   University of Toronto   
      
   JCT: John Von Neumann said: Economic questions arise in a   
   more elementary manner in the Theory of Games. After my   
   degree in Systems Engineering, I was Teaching Assistant of   
   Canada's only Mathematics of Gambling Course at Carleton   
   University for 4 years in the late 1970s and became a   
   professional gambler for over 42 years! Google for Great   
   Canadian Gambler and I come up. I was known as "The   
   Professor" at the Trump Taj Mahal Poker room of "Rounders"   
   fame in the 1990s. I hope to provide such elementary insight   
   into Pareto Distributions.   
      
   JP: Pareto Distributions https:youtu.be/TcEWRykSgwE   
      
   - Creative production in any domain, artistic, food   
   production, novels, money generated, companies generated,   
   goals in hockey, paintings, human productivity, follows   
   Pareto Principle that half the production is done by the   
   square root of players. With 10 employees, 3 do the half the   
   work. 10,000 employees, 100 do half the work.   
      
   JCT: It would not apply to non-human animals. Take bees.   
   Presume a bee brings back 1 gram of pollen per day on   
   average. Under a Pareto Distribution where:   
      
   P(e)= Elite Bee Production; P(l)= Lesser Bee Production   
      
   So P(e)*sqrt(n) = .5 = P(l)*(n-sqrt(n))   
   Elite Production is Factor: (sqrt(n)-1) bigger than P(l).   
      
   Hive of 4 bees:   
   2 bees bring in 2g pollen, other 2 bring in 2g: Factor = 1.   
      
   Hive of 9 bees:   
   3 bees bring in 4.5g, other 6 bees bring in 4.5g   
   Elite brings 4.5g/3=1.5g, Lesser brings 4.5g/6=.75g: F=2   
      
   Hive of 16 bees:   
   Elite brings 8g/4=2g, Lesser bee brings 8g/12=.67g: F=3   
      
   Hive of 25 bees:   
   Elite 12.5g/5=2.5g, Lesser brings 12.5g/20=.625g: F-4   
      
   Hive of 100 bees   
   Elite 50g/10=5g, Lesser bee 50g/90=.55g: F=9   
      
   Hive of 10,000 bees:   
   Elite 5000g/100=50g, Lesser 5000g/9,900=.505g F=99   
      
   Hive of 1,000,000 bees:   
   Elite 500kg/1k=500g, Lesser 500kg/999k=.5005g: F=999.   
      
   So in a hive of a million bees, the 999,000 Lesser bees   
   would bring in half a gram each rather than a whole gram   
   while an elite bee brings in half a kilo! Only because of   
   the size of the hive? Doubtful.   
      
   Though I accept a Pareto Distribution is observed in the   
   distribution of human productivity and other areas, I see no   
   reason for it to occur in production by non-humans.   
      
   - Pareto Distributions govern distribution of money. Why 1%   
   have the overwhelming amount and 1/10 of that 1% has almost   
   all of that. The richest 100 have as much money as the   
   bottom 2.5B. Across all creating domains. Something like a   
   natural law.   
      
   JCT: So an Elite human produces 50,000 times what a Lesser   
   human produces?   
      
   JP: Marxism is ignorant of the Pareto principle   
   https:youtu.be/i0iL0ixoZYo   
      
   - Pareto distribution as a function of some fundamental   
   force we don't understand!   
   - People compete to produce. Almost everybody produces zero,   
   they lose everything. Small minority successful, hyper-   
   minority insanely successful. 100 composers, 10 write music   
   that's played. Of their 1,000 songs, 30 are played 50% of   
   the time.   
      
   JCT: "Compete to produce" is key. It's not that so many   
   produce zero but that they could not or would not be able to   
   sell what they produced. In a game with not enough money,   
   who rates success in selling?   
      
   MATTHEW PRINCIPLE OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK "TAKEN FROM"   
   - It's expressed from the Matthew Principle: "To those who   
   have everything, more will be given, and from those who have   
   nothing, everything will be taken." A vicious statement.   
   This happens everywhere.   
      
   JCT: This is Christ's most quoted verse, 7 times. In 1)   
   Matthew 13:10 and 2) 25:29; in 3) Luke 8:10 and 4) 19:26,   
   again in 5) Marc 4:25, and twice more in the deleted but   
   newly-found Nag Hammadi scrolls in 6) Thomas 41 and 7)   
   Apocalypse of Peter (VII,3) 83:27. That's how important the   
   Matthew-Luke-Marc-Thomas-Peter Principle is.   
      
   In 1995, my post "Christ spoke in Differential Equations   
   suggesting this was a Differential Equation (which shows how   
   things change over time) offended the internet world so   
   badly that I was voted July Kook-of-the-Month!   
      
   The key word is "taken." How would pollen be taken from some   
   bees and given to others as money is taken from some humans   
   who have nothing and given to others who have abundance? How   
   do you take from those who have nothing? Only through   
   increased debt in a money system!   
      
   JP: - Winning increases chances of more winning. Spirals out   
   of control until a few have all the money. We don't know   
   what to do about that? Marx said: Capital tended to   
   accumulate into the hands of the fewer and fewer people, a   
   flaw in the capitalist system. That's wrong, it is not a   
   flaw, it's a feature of every system we've ever set up and   
   how it operates.   
      
   JCT: Even if Marx didn't understand what force was taking   
   from the poor to give to the rich, he still found that to be   
   a flaw. And even if it's been a feature of every system ever   
   set up by the rulers and how it operates, as Jesus defined   
   and named the problem in Matthew, he also explained what to   
   do about that in Paul Corr II, 8:14.   
      
   JP: As soon as you set up production, you set up a   
   competition and the spoils go disproportionately to a tiny   
   percentage of people. So the rest of the people starve.   
   Tendency is to be distributed inequitably. If you let a   
   monetary system run, all the money ends up in the hands of a   
   very small number. And any creative endeavour too.   
      
   JCT: You farm your land, I farm mine, where's the   
   competition? Sure, you may grow more than me but why would I   
   end up not having enough? Why should all the goods be given   
   disproportionally to you and be taken from me so I should   
   starve? It can only be because competition is in selling the   
   production for scarce money, not in growing it.   
      
   JP: Marxism is ignorant of the Pareto principle   
   https:youtu.be/i0iL0ixoZYo   
      
   - If you don't have any money, it's really hard to get some.   
   Once you have some, it's not so hard to get some more.   
      
   JCT: Because having some gets you more from positive   
   feedback with no work.   
      
   JP: But if you're at zero, Jesus man, you're in the reverse   
   situation.  You're poor, you don't have anything, no one   
   wants to talk to you, you can't get out of it because you're   
   too poor to get out of it, You're penalized by the economic   
   system because you can't even afford to start playing the   
   game. You're stuck at zero. And you can't get out.   
      
   JCT: Jesus called when all has been taken away from you   
   living in the "alley where men weep and gnash their teeth."   
      
   - The revolutionary types tell the people stuck at zero, why   
   don't you burn the whole God-Damned thing to the ground?   
      
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