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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Crown in Harris appeal for resti    |
|    16 Feb 19 15:52:32    |
      From: johnturmel@gmail.com              JCT: This appeals involves Jeff seeking to have the time       Health Canada ripped off his permit restituted. Judge Brown       ruled that damages for not getting the full period       prescribed by the doctor was trivial. Jeff pointed out that       up to 11 months ripped-off when a permit can cost over       $2,000 isn't trivial.              The Crown then cross-appealed Judge Brown's decision that       them just telling him they found the damages claims for       delays in processing were frivolous without offering him any       reason why wasn't good enough. They're asking the Appeal       Court to rule he didn't need to be given any reasons, he       should have just done what they asked! Really.              This is long, repetitive but it's your government's money at       work. So two ongoing issues in the appeal, Jeff Harris on       the restitution of the time ripped off being not trivial to       victims including Steve Vetricek whose application wasn't       started until 9 months after he'd sent it!              CR: Jon Bricker and Wendy Wright              PART I- OVERVIEW              PART II-STATEMENT OF FACTS              A. The Regulation of cannabis for medical purposes       1) The former Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes       Regulations       2) The current Cannabis Act and Cannabis Regulations       3) The registration process for personal and designated       production       B. The present claim       C. Other claims       D. The motions judge partially grants Canada's motion       E. Other motions       PART III - POINTS IN ISSUE       PART IV - SUBMISSIONS       A. Standard of appellate review       B. The principles on a motion to strike       C. The Motions Judge erred in failing to strike the claim       concerning the registration processing time       1) No constitutional right to produce cannabis,       2) No violation of section 7       a) No deprivation of life, liberty or security of the person       b) The claim concerning renewal is speculative and now moot       c) No violation of a principle of fundamental justice       3) The Motions Judge erred in failing to strike the claim       for Charter damages       D. No reasonable cause of action concerning the period of       registration       2) The claim concerning the period of registration is now       moot       E. Leave to amend should be refused       PART V-ORDER SOUGHT       PART VI-LIST OF AUTHORITIES       APPENDIX A-STATUTES AND REGULATIONS              CR: PART I-OVERVIEW              1. It is plain and obvious that this claim fails to disclose       a reasonable cause of action.              JCT: Imagine saying it's plain and obvious when you're       calling a judge unreasonable!! "It's not even hard, it's       plain and obvious, and he didn't see it." Says the Crown.       I'd bet many defendants in criminal matters may raise that       but it must be rare to say it's "plain and obvious" he was       wrong. Usually, you're more apologetic with some a peek at       your cards.              CR: The claim alleges that the processing time for       registration to personally produce cannabis for medical       purposes violates section 7 of the Charter. However, it       contains no material facts to show that the processing time       for registration deprived the plaintiff of life, liberty or       security of the person, or that the processing time in his       case was inconsistent with the principles of fundamental       justice.              JCT: And wants damages for the losses incurred during the       unconscionable delay. Did she forget?              CR: 2. Canada brought a motion to strike. The Motions Judge       largely dismissed the motion and in so doing, made three       legal errors. First, he erred in finding that courts had       already confirmed a constitutional right for patients to       produce cannabis.              JCT: It does say that if the patient fulfils the condition,       the Minister must register the license. What else can that       mean?              CR: Second, having incorrectly held that a constitutional       right to produce cannabis was already established, the       Motions Judge failed to consider whether the claim contained       material facts to demonstrate a violation of the plaintiffs       section 7 rights. Third, in allowing the claim for Charter       damages to proceed, the Motions Judge failed to consider the       absence of any material facts to show that damages would be       appropriate and just.              JCT: Even if Plaintiffs hadn't already asked? Or because       they asked for damages officially did the Crown appeal his       decision to allowing the showing of damages would be       appropriate.              CR: 3. However, the Motions Judge properly struck the other       portion of the claim, which concerned the period of       registration.              JCT: It actually converned restitution of the period of       registration. But why focus on the right issue when you're       trying to muddy the water.              CR: He acknowledged that the period of registration was       shorter than the period of use authorized by the plaintiffs       health care practitioner. However, he found that this merely       resulted in the plaintiff having to renew his registration       sooner, which was perhaps inconvenient but did not violate       the Charter.              JCT: All he had to do was order them to give what they'd       stopped ripping off from newbies back to those who'd been       ripped off. Order them to restitute the time stolen. And he       says it wasn't big enough a rip-off to warrant Charter       protection? Is why we're appealing.              CR: The plaintiff has identified no error in this       conclusion, and subsequent legislation has rendered this       aspect of the claim moot.              JCT: Only because the old legislation with the flaws is gone       and we're now stuck with the new legislation with the old       flaws back on without having been resolved by the courts       last time.              CR: The claim should therefore be struck in its entirety,       without leave to amend.              So their 3 reasons are       1) finding that courts had already confirmed a       constitutional right for patients to produce cannabis.       2) failed to consider whether the claim contained material       facts to demonstrate a violation of rights.              JCT: They asked the judge to adeem Medical License "Start       Date and "Expiry Date as insufficient facts to demonstrate a       too-short "period" of time. Wants these three judges to say       those aren't facts enough.              CR: Third, in allowing the claim for Charter damages to       proceed,              JCT: The part of the claim she forgot to introduce earlier.       CR: the Motions Judge failed to consider the absence of any       material facts to show that damages would be appropriate and       just.              JCT: Damages for delays in obtaining medication by screw-ups       in government bureaucracy was asked for and not deemed       inappropriate. This isn't damages over bad legislation, it's       damages over bad administration. No need to show malice.       Just incompetence.              PART II - STATEMENT OF FACTS              A. THE REGULATION OF CANNABIS FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES              1) The former Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes       Regulations                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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