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   John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All   
   TURMEL: Judge Diner nixes email metadata   
   21 May 21 10:31:40   
   
   From: johnturmel@gmail.com   
      
   TURMEL: Judge Diner nixes email metadata, wants affidavit of service   
      
   JCT: For the past few years, I have uploaded the metadata   
   from an email to the Crown to acknowledge service and then   
   wrote a letter to the judge asking the registry to accept   
   it in lieu of an affidavit of service. For the Appellant/Plaintiff   
   John C. Turmel, B.Eng.,   
   May 17 2021   
      
   To a Judge:   
        re: T-130-21   
      
   To the Administrator:   
   Please place this letter before a judge of the Court:   
      
   Your Honor   
   Please accept the email c19a2service.pdf to be filed as   
   proof of service on the Defendant. This proof of service was   
   accepted by Justice Brown for many online filings in the   
   past few years and twice in the recent Appeal Motion and   
   Reply of Michel Ethier.   
   Given the lockdown situation, I hope it is deemed   
   acceptable.   
      
   JCT: So I tried it for my appeal motion for the timetable.   
      
   Federal Court CANADA   
   May 20th, 2021   
   VIA E-MAIL   
   John C. Turmel   
   Benjamin Wong   
      
   RE: T-130-21   
    JOHN C. TURMEL v. HMQ   
   ________________________________________________________________________   
   Please be advised of the following oral direction issued by   
   Justice Diner dated May 20th, 2021:   
       "Mr. Turmel be instructed to submit a proper Affidavit   
       of Service, and upon receipt of the Affidavit of Service   
       the Motion can be accepted for filing as of the date it   
       was submitted (May 17, 2021)."   
      
   JCT: Judge Brown accepted it dozens of times Michel Ethier   
   had his metadata for his appeal motion and reply accepted by   
   his judge, but Justice Diner needs me to swear before a   
   commissioner of oaths that I sent it to the Crown. Proof of   
   email not good enough.   
      
   So I have to run around to find a Notary to commission my   
   oath when I swear "I did email it to the Crown." That's   
   better than the metadata To: From: Date: Title:   
      
   Affidavit of Service are "make-work" for lawyers and   
   notaries. If I ran a legal system, I'd make a rule that   
   every document filed is presumed to be true. But that   
   wouldn't let lawyers do their lawying. So lawying is okay as   
   long as you didn't swear you weren't lying.   
      
   I could understand some kind if verification in the case of   
   an inheritance estate, sure, a notary is still useful. But   
   swearing that you served it on them, what's the purpose to   
   an oath if saying you served them and you did not would be   
   perjury too.   
      
   So Judge Diner wants to make me run around. Email metadata   
   not sufficient, needs me swearing an oath before the notary.   
      
   What do you think. Would he have been another judge who   
   thought adding a Carbon Copy to an email was too great a   
   burden for the Crown to bear?   
      
   I hope he's not the judge of my appeal motion. Didn't start   
   off well.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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