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|    John KingofthePaupers Turmel to All    |
|    TURMEL: Judge Diner nixes email metadata    |
|    21 May 21 10:31:40    |
      From: johnturmel@gmail.com              TURMEL: Judge Diner nixes email metadata, wants affidavit of service              JCT: For the past few years, I have uploaded the metadata       from an email to the Crown to acknowledge service and then       wrote a letter to the judge asking the registry to accept       it in lieu of an affidavit of service. For the Appellant/Plaintiff       John C. Turmel, B.Eng.,       May 17 2021              To a Judge:        re: T-130-21              To the Administrator:       Please place this letter before a judge of the Court:              Your Honor       Please accept the email c19a2service.pdf to be filed as       proof of service on the Defendant. This proof of service was       accepted by Justice Brown for many online filings in the       past few years and twice in the recent Appeal Motion and       Reply of Michel Ethier.       Given the lockdown situation, I hope it is deemed       acceptable.              JCT: So I tried it for my appeal motion for the timetable.              Federal Court CANADA       May 20th, 2021       VIA E-MAIL       John C. Turmel       Benjamin Wong              RE: T-130-21        JOHN C. TURMEL v. HMQ       ________________________________________________________________________       Please be advised of the following oral direction issued by       Justice Diner dated May 20th, 2021:        "Mr. Turmel be instructed to submit a proper Affidavit        of Service, and upon receipt of the Affidavit of Service        the Motion can be accepted for filing as of the date it        was submitted (May 17, 2021)."              JCT: Judge Brown accepted it dozens of times Michel Ethier       had his metadata for his appeal motion and reply accepted by       his judge, but Justice Diner needs me to swear before a       commissioner of oaths that I sent it to the Crown. Proof of       email not good enough.              So I have to run around to find a Notary to commission my       oath when I swear "I did email it to the Crown." That's       better than the metadata To: From: Date: Title:              Affidavit of Service are "make-work" for lawyers and       notaries. If I ran a legal system, I'd make a rule that       every document filed is presumed to be true. But that       wouldn't let lawyers do their lawying. So lawying is okay as       long as you didn't swear you weren't lying.              I could understand some kind if verification in the case of       an inheritance estate, sure, a notary is still useful. But       swearing that you served it on them, what's the purpose to       an oath if saying you served them and you did not would be       perjury too.              So Judge Diner wants to make me run around. Email metadata       not sufficient, needs me swearing an oath before the notary.              What do you think. Would he have been another judge who       thought adding a Carbon Copy to an email was too great a       burden for the Crown to bear?              I hope he's not the judge of my appeal motion. Didn't start       off well.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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